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26-12-2024, 11:19 PM #1
Noobi
Hi Guys and Guyettes
Seasons Greetings
I'm Chris ! MOGn ( miserable Old Git)new to Koi and tg this forum. I hope ican pick some brains on setting up a 7000 gal Koi pond for the first time.
Im looking at 2 bottom drains feeding 2 ea K+ bead filters ( 24" raited at 8000 gal each ) both returning via a blade fall. seperate skimmer line and using air source heat pump to bring temp up
Can anyone see any problems with this
Many thanks
Chris
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27-12-2024, 01:29 AM #2
That's a Biggie!
I'd consider swapping one of those beads out for a Nexus or shower or drum.
Beads like flow too, so probably better off on the skimmer line, rather than the bottom drain.
You might want to turn your blade off in the winter so I'd consider some pond returns.2660 Gallons. 4" Bottom Drain and Skimmer. Draco Solum 16 Drum. Anoxic Filtration. Air lift returns.
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27-12-2024, 10:54 AM #3
hi
i agree regards blades. my new pond was finished last week with two blades but neither are running as already said they cool the water.
keith
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27-12-2024, 11:20 AM #4
[QUOTE=Alburglar;427392]That's a Biggie!
I'd consider swapping one of those beads out for a Nexus or shower or drum.
Beads like flow too, so probably better off on the skimmer line, rather than the bottom drain.
You might want to turn your blade off in the winter so I'd consider some pond returns.[/QUOTE
I did look at Nexus320 but found they were to big and unsightly for my pond LOL Beads are much smaller thats why i like them. great idea to include returns without blade. Re Drum filter i would love one but far to expensive for my pockets right now mayby something for the future
Thanks for the info
Chris
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27-12-2024, 11:35 AM #5
IMO Bead filters are not suitable on their own without separating the solids out first, they're going to block with shyte and need cleaning far too often. Ideal to run a drum then bead/s, and consider return to pond via a bakki shower.
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28-12-2024, 05:11 AM #62660 Gallons. 4" Bottom Drain and Skimmer. Draco Solum 16 Drum. Anoxic Filtration. Air lift returns.
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30-12-2024, 07:04 PM #7
Hi Guys
Thanks for all the advise ! looked at Drum filters but to expensive for me right now
So a change of plan to get this project started. going to reduce the pond size to a 3m x 3m x 2 m deep puddle calc 3960 gal from 18m3 LOL all underground with 4 inch insulation, 1 x 4" bottom drain, feeding EA Sieve for mech filtration , going into an EA 30 bead for biological, 110w UV and then through a 7 kw air source heat pump set to 20 deg to grow on the smaller fish i have ordered. returning to pond middle/ bottom. Skimmer pumping to blade
Opinions welcomeLast edited by Reddragon1960; 30-12-2024 at 07:07 PM.
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31-12-2024, 01:13 PM #8
Sounds more sensible.
Sieve and bead is better. Ideally sieve, bead and nexus, if you are going down that route. If you are economising, using the broadest sense of the word,. I'd go no more than 3000 gallons (one bottom drain) and nexus only.
Leave some contingency to add the bead to the skimmer line, when funds allow.
Have a look at the Quality Nishikigoi YouTube channel. He builds loads of ponds based on that principle.
You won't need the insulation if you're below ground.
If cost is an issue, that will help.Last edited by Alburglar; 31-12-2024 at 02:02 PM.
2660 Gallons. 4" Bottom Drain and Skimmer. Draco Solum 16 Drum. Anoxic Filtration. Air lift returns.
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02-01-2025, 08:50 AM #9
Welcome and good luck with your build.
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15-01-2025, 04:32 PM #10
Welcome to the forum.
As per other opinions, I don't think bead filters would be my choice as a sole method of filtration on a large pond.
I'm sure Tim Waddington might disagree, but rightly or wrongly I don't buy it when other more modern cleaner options are available.
There's been some real bargain second hand drums up for sale over the last few Months, I would consider one of those over a new Bead filter.
I run a bead filter for my skimmer line, and for that purpose it is fantastic.
As a random example following a very quick eBay search (and I've seen even better deals than this), a used British made drum and bio filter for £1300 or offers that you could run both bottom drains to and not need to buy any other filtration for the time being, just keep the skimmer line valved off until such a time you can afford another pump and filter for that:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/405209450...Bk9SR_7_oamNZQ
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15-01-2025, 04:59 PM #11
I bought a filtreau drum, with high pressure pump and with amalgam UV, the other day. £350. I only needed the UV, but now I have a spare drum! Bargains are definitely out there to be had.
2660 Gallons. 4" Bottom Drain and Skimmer. Draco Solum 16 Drum. Anoxic Filtration. Air lift returns.
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16-01-2025, 12:22 AM #12
Agreed.
There is a guy in another group closing down and selling everything as a job lot, literally everything, from his pond cladding and coping stones through to all his filtration, shower and koi. He paid £2000 to £3000 each for some of those koi and is only asking £2500 for everything.
Paid £1700 for my 2nd hand Aquasource synergy, a deal I was more than happy with, then 6 months later when leccy prices went crazy and everyone started selling up I saw the exact same drum for £1000.
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16-01-2025, 12:37 AM #13
Are You selling off the Drum by any chance ?
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16-01-2025, 10:20 AM #14
No, Just searched the web for 2nd hand drums and it was the first one I found. I didn't read the advert so don't know if its any good, point was just to demonstrate that there is quality kit available 2nd hand that might be more suitable than buying 2 big new bead filters.
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16-01-2025, 12:39 PM #15
I think i may have found a 10t drum filter new at £225 delivered so thanks for your reply
Chris
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16-01-2025, 02:11 PM #16
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My 12 all together
They look to be holding up well considering the temps. Holding mine at 10C, not fed since 13th...