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    Tap Water

    Six weeks ago, I inherited a 24k litre koi pond. Filtration is by way of a Nexus 300 + UV etc. I was told by the previous owner that after cleaning the filter, he always topped up with standard tap water. I continued to do this. Until recently I was cleaning the Nexus using 2 cleans/flushes, twice per week. The fish seem really happy with zero signs of distress. It couldn't really be going any better.


    Obviously the last 6 weeks has been spent reading and researching and one thing I see regularly is: Never add tap water straight to your pond. I was considering getting an in-line dechlorinator but the fish seem so happy that I've hesitated. I've not tested the pond water at all, and I've not tested the tap water either.


    I'm not sure whether to just carry on as I am or get the dechlorinator. I'd guess there's a few hundred litres of tap water going in per week which is 24k litres is just a couple of %.


    So my question to you guys is: Am I putting my fish at risk?



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    Senior Member Rank = Adult Champion g mac's Avatar
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    The answer is, almost definitely that you are putting your fish at risk. I think just about every water company in the U.K. is adding Chlorine, Chloramine or both.
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    What type of fish do you have in the pond and how long have they been in there.
    If they have been in there for some time and the previous owners have been adding water to the pond straight from the tap all that time I think they will be fine.
    But if you add any new fish I would seriously consider putting in a dechlorinator.
    All so invest in a test kit so you can monitor your water parameters.

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    if you post your whereabouts someone may advise if water filters are needed. Im in west yorkshire original pond was 22 years old and topped up striaght from the outside tap. also have a look at your local water Co website and find your local water tests.
    having said that a three stage water filter system is not dear.

    keith

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin59 View Post
    What type of fish do you have in the pond and how long have they been in there.......

    But if you add any new fish I would seriously consider putting in a dechlorinator.
    All so invest in a test kit so you can monitor your water parameters.
    Twelve Koi, 4 ghosties, and a grass carp. Several of them have been in there years (~20) and are big, but 5 of the Koi have have only been in a couple of years. They all seem fine.
    Can you recommend a test kit that won't break the bank?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rolo View Post
    if you post your whereabouts someone may advise if water filters are needed. Im in west yorkshire original pond was 22 years old and topped up striaght from the outside tap. also have a look at your local water Co website and find your local water tests.
    having said that a three stage water filter system is not dear.

    keith
    Northants. I checked the report for my postcode online and it states free chlorine up to 0.08 ppm and total chlorine up to 1.15 ppm. It also says they "add a small amount of ammonia in this process which means your drinking water supply is chloraminated". It gives a result for Ammonium of up to 0.242 ppm.

    Are there any guidelines as to what is tolerable for koi?

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    look at mankey sanke posts every thing will be explianed you'll need a big cup of tea and few biscuits but this is the man too listen too.
    i use API master kit due too M.S . you could also think about a Ph probe and thermometer gives you an instant heads up if something is going on .my thermometer works off two button batteries and probe either 240v or batteries and a bag of sodium bi carb.
    i can dig out where i bought them if your interested.

    keith

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    Quote Originally Posted by rolo View Post
    look at mankey sanke posts every thing will be explianed you'll need a big cup of tea and few biscuits but this is the man too listen too.
    i use API master kit due too M.S . you could also think about a Ph probe and thermometer gives you an instant heads up if something is going on .my thermometer works off two button batteries and probe either 240v or batteries and a bag of sodium bi carb.
    i can dig out where i bought them if your interested.

    keith
    I can drink tea by the pint so sounds good to me.

    I have a thermometer and a DO meter so I'll add to that with the API kit. Cheers for the feedback

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    You should always dechlorinate any new water added to the pond. Some hobbyists take chances and rely on the fact that small water changes, when diluted by the greater volume in the pond, don't add enough chlorine to poison their fish. I could go into detail to explain why they got away with that when only chlorine was used to sanitise water and how now chloramine is being used by most water supply authorities, that practice has become increasing risky.


    When I was talking to Paula Reynolds (in case you don't know her, she has several PhDs and more decades in researching koi health than it's gentlemanly to state), we were discussing how many people still don't dechlorinate new water because they think "a small water change will leave the chlorine level in the pond below the safe level" and she used a simple expression that I've since stolen:

    "Both chlorine and chloramine are poisonous to koi and there is no safe level of a poison in a koi pond."

    You can't explain it any simpler than that!!

    Anyway, sodium thiosulphate can be used to dechlorinate water either as dry crystals or made into a liquid if that is more convenient. The shelf life of dry crystals is many years if kept in a cool dark place. The theoretical shelf life of a sterile stock solution can also be many years but the actual shelf life in practice depends on how sterile you can keep it. This is because a common a bacterial contaminant of sodium thiosulphate can weaken it, especially if you keep opening the bottle to take some out which keeps letting in more air. For that reason and the fact that the crystals are so cheap, I recommend making up only what you expect to use in about six months then throwing away any that you haven't used and making up another six months’ worth.

    I calculated this chart for students on my on-line water quality course which is designed for an international student base so I calculated it for all three major measuring systems which allows them to use whichever units they prefer. You only need to use enough for the volume of top up water that is about to be added but sodium thiosulphate is virtually non toxic unless added in ridiculous quantities so you can be very generous in the amounts added.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Manky Sanke View Post
    "Both chlorine and chloramine are poisonous to koi and there is no safe level of a poison in a koi pond."
    Fair point. Looks like I have work to do.

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    It isn't hard to dechlorinate water Yonny; just put in the appropriate amount of sodium thiosulphate for the water you're about to add either as crystals or the made up dechlorinator and bung in the hose.

    You can buy 250 grams of sodium thiosulphate for little more than the price of a high street cup of coffee. That amount that would be enough to dechlorinate a year’s worth of water changes for an average koi keeper. Below is a link to one inexpensive UK supplier or you could search around and possibly find a slightly cheaper one.

    As a new koi keeper, if you don't understand how to work out your pond volume or how much water to change or anything about using the sodium thiosulphate please ask and someone on here will explain.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/134608499...r=434127594517

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    Morning All,

    I have been using sodium thiosulphate for 15 to 20 years following the advice of Manky (I'm sure Mr. Sanke must have been a teenager then ) However something I learned back then was that chlorine can do as much damage to the filters as to the fish, by killing off the bacteria. For this reason whilst refilling the pond I always switch off the filters and add the diluted SS by way of adding1 third around the pond and the remaining straight into the water flow, then switching the filters back on 10 to 15 minutes later. This method seems to work for me.

    Take care,
    Brian.

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    I contacted my local water supplier and asked for a Water Quality Report - which they were happy to send me via email.

    I forwarded this onto Andy at Finch Filtration and he advised what I needed for my area. Never looked back.
    2,700 Gallon, Infinity Window, Aquasource Synergy 35 Drum, 12Kw Thermotec Invertor, Amalgum UV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian C View Post
    Morning All,

    I have been using sodium thiosulphate for 15 to 20 years following the advice of Manky (I'm sure Mr. Sanke must have been a teenager then ) However something I learned back then was that chlorine can do as much damage to the filters as to the fish, by killing off the bacteria. For this reason whilst refilling the pond I always switch off the filters and add the diluted SS by way of adding1 third around the pond and the remaining straight into the water flow, then switching the filters back on 10 to 15 minutes later. This method seems to work for me.

    Take care,
    Brian.

    A teenager 15 to 20 years ago - yeah! - I wish but that's about the time I've been wittering on about using sodium thiosulphate itself rather than sodium thiosulphate in a bottle of water with some blue dye in it for over 14 times the price (just looked for typical prices).

    As for chlorine/chloramine killing bacteria, that's what it's put in our water supplies for so it isn't surprising that it would kill bacteria in the biofilter (nitrosomonas and nitrobacter) as well as the countless species of beneficial bacteria that do other good work in the pond environment.

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    For anyone interested I purchased and fit a PondXpert in-line dechlorinator at the weekend. Price was very reasonable considering it should last 2 or 3 years.

    The API master kit is ordered so if I do come up against any issues I should get the heads-up in good time.

    Thanks all for the feedback.

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