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    Green water.

    I’m sure this has been covered before but I can’t find anything. I have green water. I did have blanket week but added Cloverleaf and that’s gone but now have very green water for the first time on a mature pond. Filter was stopped for a day a while back to sort out something but water parameters no2/3, PH and ammonia all good. I have a bead and sieve and a 15000 litre p/h pump. I don’t have a UV as the flow rates are high…..I think. I did have one on the skimmer line that hooks into the sieve but the sieve fills up when I have both it and the bottom drain going through it. The pond is 2000 gallons. What do you reckon is causing it and is there a non-UV solution? Also is there a solution to tie up the skimmer to the sieve again?



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    You need a UV filter to get rid of green water.

    The only other thing I can think of is prevention.

    Try creating shade over the pond. That may help reduce it.

    Also, If you can use filters that remove/reduce nitrates, this should help. Although it may not stop it entirely as koi pellets and fish waste will add phosphates etc to the water... Which is essentially plant food. And other than water changes I'm not aware of a way to remove phosphates specifically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twhitenosugar View Post
    You need a UV filter to get rid of green water.

    The only other thing I can think of is prevention.

    Try creating shade over the pond. That may help reduce it.

    Also, If you can use filters that remove/reduce nitrates, this should help. Although it may not stop it entirely as koi pellets and fish waste will add phosphates etc to the water... Which is essentially plant food. And other than water changes I'm not aware of a way to remove phosphates specifically.

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    Thanks. Not sure what you mean by using the filters to remove nitrates. Essentially that’s what they are there to do, well, some of what they are meant to do. The nitrates were low so all seems to be okay. They o ly other thing that’s changed is different food. Maybe that’s it.

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    Rather annoyingly, most biological filters don't remove nitrate, they produce it.

    They typically only remove ammonia and nitrite. Well technically they convert ammonia into nitrite and then convert nitrite into nitrate.

    Only a few biological filters remove nitrate. For example an anoxic filter removes nitrate, but a moving bed filter won't. An airtight trickle tower would remove nitrates, but a trickle tower exposed to the air wont. Plants would remove nitrates, but a bead filter won't etc...

    A shower filter with a very high flow of water over it can reduce nitrates. I understand this is by gasing off the nitrogen. But if you see Slickbe's recent post about his shower filter, he found the reduction to be minimal and he was pumping large amounts of water over his shower.

    You could probably get the water clear by having a more natural pond with plants etc and a low stocking level of fish. But most people prefer to have a pond full of big fish. So the only realistic way of keeping the water clear in the latte is with a UV.

    I use a 40watt Amalgam UV on my pond. They are expensive to buy, but tend to work more efficiently than a normal UV unit. I only have mine come on for an hour a day (for 13k litres) and it keeps my pond really clear. So the bulbs tend to last longer than a normal UV bulb too.




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    if you had blanket weed you had an excess of nutrients, the blanket weed was utilising those nutrients and keeping the water clear.
    when you killed off the blanket weed, the nutrients were then utilised by a lower form of algae hence the green water.
    a light covering of green fuzz on the pond walls, is beneficial especially when you don't have plants as a source of grazing food for the koi and nutrient reduction.

    It helps if you give the test readings of ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and phosphate as these are all plant nutrients.
    but UV is the generally accepted way of controlling green water. though nutrient control through plants, nitrate reducing filtration, or recycle reverse osmosis help.

    some pics of your pond and filtration would help in suggesting a solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twhitenosugar View Post

    I use a 40watt Amalgam UV on my pond. They are expensive to buy, but tend to work more efficiently than a normal UV unit. I only have mine come on for an hour a day (for 13k litres) and it keeps my pond really clear. So the bulbs tend to last longer than a normal UV bulb too.
    I'm intrigued that you only run your amalgam for an hour a day.
    My pond is roughly the same size (13500L), in full sun, and I run a 40w amalgam full time for 6 months of the year.

    How long have you been doing the 1 hour a day?
    What sort of lifespan are you getting out of your bulb? I get about 4 years used as above.

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    Before UVC ... after UVC...
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    As you can see I had the same issue. ~14K litres (1.85m deep).

    Green water loves nutrients and sun. The pond is in full sun for most of the day and with the original tap water fill - it must still have had phosphates, nitriates and KH - all the things green algae loves.

    You could shade your pond, it would help reduce the speed of growth. I tried the chemical options (the dye is why I have a slight blue tint to my window now) but to be honest the UVC was the best option.

    I decided to make my own 80W amalgam UVC out of 110mm pipe I had left over and some fittings. The result is I have a second loop from the drum filter inlet side that allows me to pump water (variable pump) through it and back out to the bond. In time I will add a waterfall at the back with that line but it allows me to switch on/off both the UVC and pump. The pump runs at 30W.

    Without the UVC+pump on (120W together), my pond only consumes 58W of power.

    In the photo it too several days to clear it was that bad! However the fish seem happier.

    In terms of running it - I can run for a couple of days and the water is then clear, after which I can switch off for a week or two depending on the weather.

    It doesn't stop blanket weed but that's a different story. I can see the fish

    As an aside - the green water algae is minute, and as such passes through my 57 micron drum filter. You'd need a very large surface area and a 5-10 micron filter.. I did look into it as an option but in the end the UVC is the simplest and fastest option.
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