Welcome to Koi Forum. Is this your first visit? Register
Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 56
  1. #1

    Brown Water after PP Treatment

    How long can I expect water to stay brown after PP treatment? Filtered by EazyPod
    No fish in pond
    Thanks



  2. #2
    Don't know but if you neutralise it with Hydrogen Peroxide or ST it should clear almost immediately.

  3. #3
    Senior Member Rank = Supreme Champion Ajm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2018
    Location
    Durham
    Posts
    7,733
    Thanks / Likes
    15553
    Quote Originally Posted by g mac View Post
    Don't know but if you neutralise it with Hydrogen Peroxide or ST it should clear almost immediately.
    St didn't clear mine straight away think it was 2 days some it like that hydro tho gin clear in seconds

    Sent from my F5121 using Tapatalk
    Freddyboy the legend

    "we are water keepers first"

    Johnathan

  4. #4
    Extreme Koi Member Rank = Supreme Champion Frimley Koi keeper's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Posts
    11,430
    Thanks / Likes
    16671
    I seem to remember when I PP'd some K1 last year in a water butt using a fairly strong dose of PP then using HP to neutralise it again using a strong dose it went from purple to clear fairly quickly. When I PP'd my QT system recently with 3 koi in it, it went purple then eventually a brownish colour but then used a 20% water change with tap water conditioner (Interpet Bioactive Plus) it did take a while to clear. Possibly days I think. One thing I found was even though the PP was neutralised it was a week at least before it stopped effecting the test for Chlorine as the DPD4 tablets were still picking up the oxidising agent in the neutralised PP.
    ________________________________________________
    All we ever wanted was everything,
    All we ever got was cold,
    Get up, eat jelly, sandwich bars and barbed wire,
    Squash every week into a day.

  5. Thanks Ajm, climbalot2004, Steve's koi Thanked / Liked this Post
  6. #5
    Senior Member Rank = Kyusai Twhitenosugar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2020
    Location
    Europe
    Posts
    985
    Thanks / Likes
    1553
    Mine also stayed a bit murky for a few days after treatment, neutralising with ST. It should clear and once it does, your water will probably be even clearer than it was before the treatment.

    Sent from my Pixel 4a (5G) using Tapatalk
    Last edited by Twhitenosugar; 14-06-2021 at 04:25 PM.
    13,000L fibreglassed raised pond with window

  7. Thanks Ajm, Frimley Koi keeper, climbalot2004, Steve's koi Thanked / Liked this Post
  8. #6
    Senior Member Rank = Adult Champion Gazkoi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2020
    Location
    Tividale
    Posts
    1,522
    Thanks / Likes
    3080
    HP will clear it quicker than ST.

    Cheers

    Gaz
    4,100 gallon pond, infinity window, duratec heater, aerated BD, 3 bakki showers full of BHM, amalgam UV, 3 Blue Ecoís, construction skimmer, trickle in/out, Oase Profi Drum and some very spoilt koi.

    3 separate grow on vats, one 1,600 gallon QT and a customer first business

    www.aurorakoi.co.uk

    www.facebook.com/aurorakoiuk

  9. Thanks Frimley Koi keeper, climbalot2004, Steve's koi Thanked / Liked this Post
  10. #7
    have neutralised pp treatment with hyd perox. does anyone know how long peroxide stays active before i can do another treatment with pp ?
    and has anyone got any knowledge on buying hydrogen peroxide ? kusuri is expensive. is it possible to buy/use the food grade peroxide off ebay 3%, 6% 0r 12% which is much much cheaper
    thanks

  11. Thanks Frimley Koi keeper, Steve's koi Thanked / Liked this Post
  12. #8
    Extreme Koi Member Rank = Supreme Champion Frimley Koi keeper's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Posts
    11,430
    Thanks / Likes
    16671
    I got my first bottle of HP from ebay and it's slightly stronger than the Kusuri stuff but only by 1 or 2% I think. Can check later.

    As I only used it to clean some K1 in a water butt I used a strong dose of PP and then HP to neutralise it. Then left it for 24 hours and part drained the water butt refilled and part drained again twice just to dilute what was left of the HP as the water butt emptied onto the garden.
    ________________________________________________
    All we ever wanted was everything,
    All we ever got was cold,
    Get up, eat jelly, sandwich bars and barbed wire,
    Squash every week into a day.

  13. Thanks climbalot2004, Steve's koi Thanked / Liked this Post
  14. #9
    Extreme Koi Member Rank = Supreme Champion Frimley Koi keeper's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Posts
    11,430
    Thanks / Likes
    16671
    Some people don't like using HP to neutralise PP as they both use oxidising agents so prefer ST or a tap water conditioner as they think it's a safer option?
    ________________________________________________
    All we ever wanted was everything,
    All we ever got was cold,
    Get up, eat jelly, sandwich bars and barbed wire,
    Squash every week into a day.

  15. Thanks climbalot2004 Thanked / Liked this Post
  16. #10
    Senior Member Rank = Gosai Steve's koi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2020
    Location
    Essex
    Posts
    301
    Thanks / Likes
    475
    I use Kusuri HP after PP and it clears in about 10 mins. I know it's a bit expensive for what it is, but it works so i'll suffer the extra penny's.

  17. Thanks climbalot2004 Thanked / Liked this Post
  18. #11
    Senior Member Rank = Gosai Goonerharwood's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    Location
    Huntingdon
    Posts
    307
    Thanks / Likes
    462
    Quote Originally Posted by climbalot2004 View Post
    have neutralised pp treatment with hyd perox. does anyone know how long peroxide stays active before i can do another treatment with pp ?
    and has anyone got any knowledge on buying hydrogen peroxide ? kusuri is expensive. is it possible to buy/use the food grade peroxide off ebay 3%, 6% 0r 12% which is much much cheaper
    thanks
    https://www.koiforum.uk/koi-health-d...tml#post375191

    Hi if you follow this link and go to reply #11 there’s a link to where I got my HP exactly the same stuff less the Koi Tax

    hope this helps
    Colin

  19. Thanks Frimley Koi keeper, climbalot2004 Thanked / Liked this Post
  20. #12
    I read somewhere that the HP is what knocks the filters back not the PPBrown Water after PP Treatment which is why more people have stopped using it.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  21. Thanks climbalot2004 Thanked / Liked this Post
  22. #13
    Extreme Koi Member Rank = Supreme Champion Frimley Koi keeper's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Posts
    11,430
    Thanks / Likes
    16671
    Quote Originally Posted by D’ster View Post
    I read somewhere that the HP is what knocks the filters back not the PPBrown Water after PP Treatment which is why more people have stopped using it.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    PP will knock your filters back if used above a certain dosage which is usually what you need for it to work.

    As for HP knocking filters back I'm not sure about that? I seem to remember someone telling me that the chemical symbol or compound for it was H2O2 which is I think water with an extra oxygen molecule added to it? I seem to remember someone telling me that it can actually temporarily raise the oxygen level in water?

    Maybe one for Syd to answer?
    ________________________________________________
    All we ever wanted was everything,
    All we ever got was cold,
    Get up, eat jelly, sandwich bars and barbed wire,
    Squash every week into a day.

  23. Thanks Díster, climbalot2004 Thanked / Liked this Post
  24. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Frimley Koi keeper View Post
    PP will knock your filters back if used above a certain dosage which is usually what you need for it to work.

    As for HP knocking filters back I'm not sure about that? I seem to remember someone telling me that the chemical symbol or compound for it was H2O2 which is I think water with an extra oxygen molecule added to it? I seem to remember someone telling me that it can actually temporarily raise the oxygen level in water?

    Maybe one for Syd to answer?
    It might be that seeing Peroxide is a bleach, has a negative affect on the filters Brown Water after PP TreatmentBrown Water after PP Treatment


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  25. Thanks Frimley Koi keeper Thanked / Liked this Post
  26. #15
    Extreme Koi Member Rank = Supreme Champion Frimley Koi keeper's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Posts
    11,430
    Thanks / Likes
    16671
    Quote Originally Posted by D’ster View Post
    It might be that seeing Peroxide is a bleach, has a negative affect on the filters Brown Water after PP TreatmentBrown Water after PP Treatment


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Yes I've just seen that online too. It's an oxidising agent, bleach and steriliser. Just not heard it used in place of PP before. Some use CT instead of PP as it's not as harsh possibly?
    ________________________________________________
    All we ever wanted was everything,
    All we ever got was cold,
    Get up, eat jelly, sandwich bars and barbed wire,
    Squash every week into a day.

  27. Thanks Díster Thanked / Liked this Post
  28. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Frimley Koi keeper View Post
    Yes I've just seen that online too. It's an oxidising agent, bleach and steriliser. Just not heard it used in place of PP before. Some use CT instead of PP as it's not as harsh possibly?
    No you use the PP as normal, just not the HP, but I might be wrong, canít remember where I read itBrown Water after PP TreatmentBrown Water after PP TreatmentBrown Water after PP Treatment
    Last time I used PP I just left it, it cleared in a few daysBrown Water after PP Treatment


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  29. Thanks Frimley Koi keeper Thanked / Liked this Post
  30. #17
    Extreme Koi Member Rank = Supreme Champion Frimley Koi keeper's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Posts
    11,430
    Thanks / Likes
    16671
    When I clean some K1 it was left over night after PP'ing and the same after using the HP but when I did the QT as there were koi in it I just kept it purple for about 4 hours then done a 20% water change but didn't use HP just had it there just incase things went wrong and I needed to neutralise it ASAP.
    ________________________________________________
    All we ever wanted was everything,
    All we ever got was cold,
    Get up, eat jelly, sandwich bars and barbed wire,
    Squash every week into a day.

  31. Thanks Díster Thanked / Liked this Post
  32. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Frimley Koi keeper View Post
    PP will knock your filters back if used above a certain dosage which is usually what you need for it to work.

    As for HP knocking filters back I'm not sure about that? I seem to remember someone telling me that the chemical symbol or compound for it was H2O2 which is I think water with an extra oxygen molecule added to it? I seem to remember someone telling me that it can actually temporarily raise the oxygen level in water?

    Maybe one for Syd to answer?
    Yes, that's correct. The hydrogen peroxide molecules will each add their extra atom of oxygen to the water which will then combine with the background level of dissolved oxygen molecules making ozone so the overall oxygen concentration will temporarily increase.

    Ozone is a mild bleach and the unstable third atoms will dissociate (break away) and combine with any organic molecules they can find and destroy them. This includes the ones that make up a fish or the bugs in the biofilter so neutralising potassium permanganate with hydrogen peroxide is aggressive and neutralising with a dechlorinator is better way.

    That situation will persist until, either all the third atoms of the newly created ozone have dissociated and damaged organic molecules or until normal aeration gasses off the third oxygen molecule and restores it to normal dissolved oxygen.

  33. Thanks Frimley Koi keeper, Goonerharwood, Steve's koi, Ajm Thanked / Liked this Post
  34. #19
    Extreme Koi Member Rank = Supreme Champion Frimley Koi keeper's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Posts
    11,430
    Thanks / Likes
    16671
    Great explanation as always
    ________________________________________________
    All we ever wanted was everything,
    All we ever got was cold,
    Get up, eat jelly, sandwich bars and barbed wire,
    Squash every week into a day.

  35. Thanks Manky Sanke, Ajm Thanked / Liked this Post
  36. #20
    Member Rank = Sansai BALDYB1100's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2021
    Location
    Suffolk
    Posts
    92
    Thanks / Likes
    48
    So after 2 days of deliberation.... I'm adding PP to my pond..... really not looking forward to it.... I'll be adding dechlorinator afterwards not HP.. seems scary!
    Will be sitting by the pond for 4hrs incase any jump out.... then running round the pond with the dechlorinator......

 

 
Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:10 PM. Online Koi Mag Forum
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.3
Copyright © 2021 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.

vBulletin Improved By vBFoster® (Lite Version), © UltimateScheme, Ltd.