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    Combi Drum On 12.000 Litres.

    My head is really starting to hurt, have spent the last couple of weeks looking at Combi drums, itís taking itís toll......

    I aim to get back into koi after some years out, l was going to go MultiBay, seems theyíre very much in the past....

    Can owners please recommend the best Combi Drum on a 12.000 Litre koi pond, lím leaning towards the Oase Proficlear Premium Compact M.

    Appreciate any response.



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    Any particular reason for targeting a combi?

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    Yep. Ease of installation and plumbing, and avoiding the pain of even more time on line looking at separate drum and bio units, and then changing my mind at least 10 times over each one.

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    I looked at Oase, but in the end went for a Queni Koi QK15, mainly because of the bigger bio section. (They are also local to me). I've had it for a year and have been really pleased with it - the service I got from QK was also very good.
    I'm not sure there is a best buy, ask 10 koi keepers and you'll get 10 different answers!

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    Thanks deejaysmi
    Hear what you’re saying ref the different answers, l can change my mind every 5 minutes.
    Currently swatting up on AquaDrum Combi, QK Combi 15, Burtons MD 3000 and the Oase Proficlear Premium Compact L, small bio section of the Oase M concerns me too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeS View Post
    Thanks deejaysmi
    Hear what youíre saying ref the different answers, l can change my mind every 5 minutes.
    Currently swatting up on AquaDrum Combi, QK Combi 15, Burtons MD 3000 and the Oase Proficlear Premium Compact L, small bio section of the Oase M concerns me too.
    A drum is a drum mate. They all do the same job on that part of things. No matter what you buy.
    It's the bio side of things you have to get right for your pond. So your right in thinking
    That might not be larger or that's to small.
    So take your time and get that bio part right lol.
    Fred


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    Cheers Fred👍

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    I have a Solum 16+bio. Currently on a 1700l pond but will be deployed on a 13000l pond (including anoxic chamber, 11.7k pond area). From experience you will want to look at the drum size surface area. Too little surface area and it would be cleaning repeatedly and causing the water levels to yo-yo. To large and the drum will sit with decaying matter in the drum.

    In summer the algae blooms cause a massive load on the drum. So your stocking dictates the normal waste rate plus the size of the bloom which causes 'load' on the drum filter surface area. The more waste and the more the bloom - the larger the surface area needs to be to effectively keep the drum operating a the right water flow rate.

    The concern I have with many combi filters is the size of the drum. I would probably look at a combi with a normal sized drum (60-70micron mesh).

    I initially planned for a 8,000l sized pond (hence getting the sizes of filter I have), but that's grown and the Bio (standard sized) is 50l of helX media in 180l of water which is enough for 8000l. For the new pond.. I may put an extra 25l of media in but the pond will have a separate external annoxic bio chamber (1300l capacity).

    As Fred has said - they will all work. Just those with larger drum area will be more wash-water efficient and cope with waste more effectively (without dropping flow rate as fast).
    1700 litres on 50 watts
    Planned 11,777 litres on 58 watts. 1300l anoxic, 4" airlifts, Solum 16, bio.

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    Great info ref the drum size Nick.
    Many Thanks

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    nick is bang on ......smaller ponds with drum filters require frequent top ups unless you can get mains water to flush. I have just changed the jets on my drum ( hf30) as they were using too much water , my synergy 35 is far more efficient with water

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    That’s brilliant Phil and Nick, Many Thanks.
    Phil. Are you talking mains water to power the washing jets? What drums / Combi drums use mains water on the jets? So far l’ve only come across Evolve that do. How many bar is average mains water? Is it enough?

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    my drums use the clean side water as i cant get mains to them , but i think mains water has enough clout to do the job if you can get it there

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeS View Post
    That’s brilliant Phil and Nick, Many Thanks.
    Phil. Are you talking mains water to power the washing jets? What drums / Combi drums use mains water on the jets? So far l’ve only come across Evolve that do. How many bar is average mains water? Is it enough?
    I use mains water - I have about 3.x bar normally available from the garden tap. Often I'll turn down the tap a little to reduce pressure - it will put out 1.5-2.5l of water for a number #1 wash which is good enough for non-heatwave days. Once it starts going bananas with heat and sun.. I turn to full and left it .. and run a long #4 wash every week just to give it a proper clean.

    Mains water cleans the drum (the chlorinated water helps) with the water mostly going to waste. Some people have found over splashing of water has caused their ponds to fill.
    1700 litres on 50 watts
    Planned 11,777 litres on 58 watts. 1300l anoxic, 4" airlifts, Solum 16, bio.

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