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    I've used those lights on my pond, although in brushed stainless steel.

    They do the job for me. I like the fact you can tweak the direction they face to suit your set up.

    I suppose one consideration is working out what spread of light they give out and how high up above the pond they will be situated. The edge of the light on my pond just so happens to end where the copings are, so not much light spills over the edge of the pond. Mine are situated just over 1m above the water level.

    I put my two lights in the two front corners pointing diagonally back across the pond. They work well. The only time they don't is when the fish swim very close to the window i.e. touching it, then the front side of the fish is in a bit of a shadow. But there's not much I can do about that and otherwise they are well illuminated when cruising around the pond.

    I actually prefer watching them at night with the lights on (although I don't have them on every evening, only if I'm out there or have guests over). The colours really pop against the inky blackness of the pond liner.

    The other method I did consider is whether I could install an led rope light against the inside edge of the copings. But I quickly dismissed this because:

    1) it would look pants if it was visible and I don't have enough edge along the front of the pond (due to the window) to install it on
    2) I had no way of hiding it from view as there is no recess under the edge of the copings.
    3) I had no way of securing it firmly.
    4) it might not produce enough downward facing light to do a good job.
    5) my spot lights are hidden in the pergola so are out of sight and protected from the elements and even if they were on show, they are not ugly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twhitenosugar View Post
    I've used those lights on my pond, although in brushed stainless steel.

    They do the job for me. I like the fact you can tweak the direction they face to suit your set up.

    I suppose one consideration is working out what spread of light they give out and how high up above the pond they will be situated. The edge of the light on my pond just so happens to end where the copings are, so not much light spills over the edge of the pond. Mine are situated just over 1m above the water level.

    I put my two lights in the two front corners pointing diagonally back across the pond. They work well. The only time they don't is when the fish swim very close to the window i.e. touching it, then the front side of the fish is in a bit of a shadow. But there's not much I can do about that and otherwise they are well illuminated when cruising around the pond.

    I actually prefer watching them at night with the lights on (although I don't have them on every evening, only if I'm out there or have guests over). The colours really pop against the inky blackness of the pond liner.

    The other method I did consider is whether I could install an led rope light against the inside edge of the copings. But I quickly dismissed this because:

    1) it would look pants if it was visible and I don't have enough edge along the front of the pond (due to the window) to install it on
    2) I had no way of hiding it from view as there is no recess under the edge of the copings.
    3) I had no way of securing it firmly.
    4) it might not produce enough downward facing light to do a good job.
    5) my spot lights are hidden in the pergola so are out of sight and protected from the elements and even if they were on show, they are not ugly.

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    Cheers man good to hear personal experience of them for the safe use as planning !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twhitenosugar View Post
    I've used those lights on my pond, although in brushed stainless steel.

    They do the job for me. I like the fact you can tweak the direction they face to suit your set up.

    I suppose one consideration is working out what spread of light they give out and how high up above the pond they will be situated. The edge of the light on my pond just so happens to end where the copings are, so not much light spills over the edge of the pond. Mine are situated just over 1m above the water level.

    I put my two lights in the two front corners pointing diagonally back across the pond. They work well. The only time they don't is when the fish swim very close to the window i.e. touching it, then the front side of the fish is in a bit of a shadow. But there's not much I can do about that and otherwise they are well illuminated when cruising around the pond.

    I actually prefer watching them at night with the lights on (although I don't have them on every evening, only if I'm out there or have guests over). The colours really pop against the inky blackness of the pond liner.

    The other method I did consider is whether I could install an led rope light against the inside edge of the copings. But I quickly dismissed this because:

    1) it would look pants if it was visible and I don't have enough edge along the front of the pond (due to the window) to install it on
    2) I had no way of hiding it from view as there is no recess under the edge of the copings.
    3) I had no way of securing it firmly.
    4) it might not produce enough downward facing light to do a good job.
    5) my spot lights are hidden in the pergola so are out of sight and protected from the elements and even if they were on show, they are not ugly.

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    You got any pictures?

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    Can't find any. If I remember, I'll try and get some tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twhitenosugar View Post
    Can't find any. If I remember, I'll try and get some tonight.

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    Spot on mate . Greatly appreciated

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    Getting all giddy and excited now ! Window turns up on the 18th .

    When I go to install , do remove the inner skin completely and sit the window on top and up against the outer skin or cut a recess in the inner skin ??

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    Getting all giddy and excited now ! Window turns up on the 18th .

    When I go to install , do remove the inner skin completely and sit the window on top and up against the outer skin or cut a recess in the inner skin ??

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    Hi Johnathan / Coming together now, All the pond builds I've seen are by use, of recess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maddog1 View Post
    Hi Johnathan / Coming together now, All the pond builds I've seen are by use, of recess.
    Just gunna be a shit of a job , square peg round hole sort of job lol . Flat window in s curved wall

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    Just gunna be a shit of a job , square peg round hole sort of job lol . Flat window in s curved wall

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    you certainly know how to make your life hard mate

    you'll probably need to rebate the sides a bit, but i'd try and keep as much thickness in the wall for strength.
    could you make a wooden frame into the curve where the insulation is, to sit the glass on so you don't have to remove too much side wall?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davethefish1 View Post
    you certainly know how to make your life hard mate

    you'll probably need to rebate the sides a bit, but i'd try and keep as much thickness in the wall for strength.
    could you make a wooden frame into the curve where the insulation is, to sit the glass on so you don't have to remove too much side wall?
    Now that's an idea!

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    Hard job there Johnathan mate.
    Good shout from Dave to make a wooden frame after cutting away some polystyrene.
    That would give the glass a cushion to lean against.
    How thick is the glass?
    Definitely a 2 man job and you would need some of them glass sucker things to pull it tight.
    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by davethefish1 View Post
    you certainly know how to make your life hard mate

    you'll probably need to rebate the sides a bit, but i'd try and keep as much thickness in the wall for strength.
    could you make a wooden frame into the curve where the insulation is, to sit the glass on so you don't have to remove too much side wall?
    Just found your old invoice photo when I was looking for thickness as I started to panic the glass wasn't thick enough! . But seems am I've got the same treated glass as you same thickness only 300mm width x100mm hight smaller than yours so take it you don't have any bow in yours dave ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by john1 View Post
    Hard job there Johnathan mate.
    Good shout from Dave to make a wooden frame after cutting away some polystyrene.
    That would give the glass a cushion to lean against.
    How thick is the glass?
    Definitely a 2 man job and you would need some of them glass sucker things to pull it tight.
    Yeah mate just found a pack of 2 , tri suckers on amazon £20 . 25.5mm 12mm 1.5 gap then 12mm . Invoice says 47.5 kg so still heavy enough not to want to drop it on my toes !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    Just found your old invoice photo when I was looking for thickness as I started to panic the glass wasn't thick enough! . But seems am I've got the same treated glass as you same thickness only 300mm width x100mm hight smaller than yours so take it you don't have any bow in yours dave ?

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    all glass bows mate
    but no, it doesn't bow much, a couple of mm is all iirc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by davethefish1 View Post
    all glass bows mate
    but no, it doesn't bow much, a couple of mm is all iirc...
    That'll do just bow to match the curve lol

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    Hi AJM

    Here's the picture I said I'd post but then didn't. The wall mounted lights look a bit blue but they're whiter/warmer than they look in the pic.

    The pic of the chag is with its nose up against the window. As you can see the lights cast a shadow on the first 3"-4" of water along the side of the pond window. I could probably eliminate it by moving the lights a few cm towards the back of the pond.

    I'd suggest taking your time on deciding where to put them. Maybe get them wired up and roughly in position and test where would be good first, before screwing them fully into place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twhitenosugar View Post
    Hi AJM

    Here's the picture I said I'd post but then didn't. The wall mounted lights look a bit blue but they're whiter/warmer than they look in the pic.

    The pic of the chag is with its nose up against the window. As you can see the lights cast a shadow on the first 3"-4" of water along the side of the pond window. I could probably eliminate it by moving the lights a few cm towards the back of the pond.

    I'd suggest taking your time on deciding where to put them. Maybe get them wired up and roughly in position and test where would be good first, before screwing them fully into place.

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    Ideal ! Cheers matey get them sorted once the window is done ! Lovely view that pond mind !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twhitenosugar View Post
    Hi AJM

    Here's the picture I said I'd post but then didn't. The wall mounted lights look a bit blue but they're whiter/warmer than they look in the pic.

    The pic of the chag is with its nose up against the window. As you can see the lights cast a shadow on the first 3"-4" of water along the side of the pond window. I could probably eliminate it by moving the lights a few cm towards the back of the pond.

    I'd suggest taking your time on deciding where to put them. Maybe get them wired up and roughly in position and test where would be good first, before screwing them fully into place.

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    looks great!
    i love koi ponds at night all lit up

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    Yeah it's here !!!! Now about 6 months before I end up fitting it lol

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    Ordered a box of 12 tubes ms290 should be here Thursday, went for a box so I could use some for the coping stones so no leaching of cement ect

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