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    Here's the page and the salt method is down towards the bottom

    https://www.mankysanke.co.uk/html/pond_volumes.html
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    Basically you measure the salt content of your water using a salt meter then you add a known quantity of salt to your pond and leave it for a few hours or over night then recheck the salt reading. Then using the 2 readings and the exact amount of salt you added you can work out the exact volume of water you have. Well that's the basics of it but on Manky Sanke's website there's a full description of how to do it. Some don't like using the salt method as it can take ages for the salt to dilute back out of the water as it doesn't just dissolve away to nothing like some other things you put in your water do.

    I seem to remember reading you need at least 1 kg of salt but it has to be pure salt with nothing added.
    Quote Originally Posted by Frimley Koi keeper View Post
    Basically you measure the salt content of your water using a salt meter then you add a known quantity of salt to your pond and leave it for a few hours or over night then recheck the salt reading. Then using the 2 readings and the exact amount of salt you added you can work out the exact volume of water you have. Well that's the basics of it but on Manky Sanke's website there's a full description of how to do it. Some don't like using the salt method as it can take ages for the salt to dilute back out of the water as it doesn't just dissolve away to nothing like some other things you put in your water do.

    I seem to remember reading you need at least 1 kg of salt but it has to be pure salt with nothing added.
    Sounds like a very technical. On a massive volume already filled I suppose there is no alternative. Whatís your thoughts of getting it filled and then timescales on getting the filter running. Will the standing water go bad? Do I need to be turning it over with a placeholder solution while the filter house gets set up? Just concious I have a big hole for people to fall into!


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    My thoughts would be, yes get it filled ASAP and if you can stick a pump and a temporary filter on there to keep the water turning over if you intend to be leaving it for a few weeks before connecting up you proper filters? At least that way you'll know the chlorine and chloramine would have gassed off by the time you start to put any filter media and fish in there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frimley Koi keeper View Post
    My thoughts would be, yes get it filled ASAP and if you can stick a pump and a temporary filter on there to keep the water turning over if you intend to be leaving it for a few weeks before connecting up you proper filters? At least that way you'll know the chlorine and chloramine would have gassed off by the time you start to put any filter media and fish in there.
    Good shout thank you. Hit a bit of a wall as building up another 430mm isnít an option as didnít realise drum filters need so much clearance. 250mm on the Burtons. Means the drum will be above ground by quite a bit. Might have to get digging again New Natural look koi pond build


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    I've been having a bit of a suss out as to what to do with the layout of my filters as I haven't done any digging today.
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    I've been having a bit of a suss out as to what to do with the layout of my filters as I haven't done any digging today.
    Bit more progress today, my cheap Amazon spade Iv done the hole dig with folded. Went and picked up a Wilkinson sword spade and cant believe Iv spent all this time digging with a blunt spade New Natural look koi pond build I would be finished last week. Oh well. Managed to get down to 5ft and nearly 3ft perimeter (including block missing blocks)

    Also think Iv come to the decision on the filtration. Mrs has agreed itís worth doing once and properly. Thinking of the filtreau combi next. Some mixed reviews but figure if I can get it new from a dealer Iíll be covered with support and a guarantee for a few years. Be good to get any thoughts on this. Just really like the idea of everything in once place and less pipework to deal with. Think Iíll put the skimmer and BD into 2 inlets then out to UV-heater then a choice of waterfall in summer or back to pond under water inlet in winter.


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    Sounds like a good plan.

    Are you going to insulate the pond with Kingspan or Cellotex if you are going to heat it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by james9489 View Post
    cant believe Iv spent all this time digging with a blunt spade
    I can't believe I've spent all this time digging.

    Oh yeah and I can't believe it's not butter lol
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    Sounds like a good plan.

    Are you going to insulate the pond with Kingspan or Cellotex if you are going to heat it?
    Cheers, Iv been doing some research on heating and it seems like a grey area? Are you planning to heat?. I think I just want to keep the pond above 10-12 during the middle of winter not sure I could afford keeping it fully heated all summer. I was thinking of putting some of this down https://www.multifoilsdirect.co.uk/p...SABEgIMJvD_BwE

    But reading insulating can affect ground temps in the summer, really undecided.

    One thing I havenít considered is air and how expensive they seem. Any ideas what sort of lph i would need to run the bottom drain and bio unit? Thinking of teeing it all of the same pump. Starting to tally up all the wattages to see what Iím in for monthly. New Natural look koi pond build


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    I can't believe I've spent all this time digging.

    Oh yeah and I can't believe it's not butter lol
    I would highly recommend looking at a sharp edge spade if you havenít already got, I couldnít get through with the last one and this once slips through with ease. Managed all this extra in 1.5 hours


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    I've got so much rubbish in the soil that no matter what I use to dig or how sharp it is makes no difference. It's just brut force that works, plenty of breaks and water, get the bulk bag filled and give up for the day.

    I'm using a pick axe with a point one side and a chisel shape the other side (you can get them with a point both sides too), a round head shovel and more recently and rake just to help level the bottom off. Normally I would use a Mattock but I think there's too much stone and rubble in it for that but may use it to straighten the side of the hole as the angle is a bit too shallow in places?
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    Quote Originally Posted by james9489 View Post
    Cheers, Iv been doing some research on heating and it seems like a grey area? Are you planning to heat?. I think I just want to keep the pond above 10-12 during the middle of winter not sure I could afford keeping it fully heated all summer. I was thinking of putting some of this down https://www.multifoilsdirect.co.uk/p...SABEgIMJvD_BwE

    But reading insulating can affect ground temps in the summer, really undecided.

    One thing I haven’t considered is air and how expensive they seem. Any ideas what sort of lph i would need to run the bottom drain and bio unit? Thinking of teeing it all of the same pump. Starting to tally up all the wattages to see what I’m in for monthly. New Natural look koi pond build


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    I'm not intending to heat mine as I didn't heat the previous one. My new one is slightly deeper and is possibly going to have more of it in the ground so maybe that will help with temperature control? Possibly going to make a polycarbonate winter cover and with this one put something round the side of the pond above ground? The previous pond was always going to have a wall but I could never find anyone to build it for a reasonable price.
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    As for air pumps, I had a 40 lpm or maybe a 60 lpm? With a 4 way manifold with valves on. This was connected to a 200 mm air disc in the pond, a pair of air discs in the IBC bio chamber, another cylindrical air stone in the pond under the filter return and another air diffuser that was in a water butt that I used for cleaning media or used pipe fittings etc. I also had a 20 lpm air pump on a timer switch that I used every time I fed the fish. It had 2 small round air stones hanging under the mouth of the skimmer which was enough to stop the food being drawn into the skimmer before the fish could eat it. Think the timer was set to about 15 minutes. Worked a treat. I also had a little aquarium air pump that ran the Tornado 2 protein skimmer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frimley Koi keeper View Post
    As for air pumps, I had a 40 lpm or maybe a 60 lpm? With a 4 way manifold with valves on. This was connected to a 200 mm air disc in the pond, a pair of air discs in the IBC bio chamber, another cylindrical air stone in the pond under the filter return and another air diffuser that was in a water butt that I used for cleaning media or used pipe fittings etc. I also had a 20 lpm air pump on a timer switch that I used every time I fed the fish. It had 2 small round air stones hanging under the mouth of the skimmer which was enough to stop the food being drawn into the skimmer before the fish could eat it. Think the timer was set to about 15 minutes. Worked a treat. I also had a little aquarium air pump that ran the Tornado 2 protein skimmer.
    Thought you had a big boy 100?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    Thought you had a big boy 100?

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    Yes but that is for boiling the Eazy Pod something is making me think that's currently on my QT system Eazy Pod at the moment? I must remember to clean the air ring etc in the Eazy Pod as I'm sure it is slightly blocked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frimley Koi keeper View Post
    Yes but that is for boiling the Eazy Pod something is making me think that's currently on my QT system Eazy Pod at the moment? I must remember to clean the air ring etc in the Eazy Pod as I'm sure it is slightly blocked.
    I've got a new pump coming hi blo 80 to put on nexus as not sure if my old ea is done for or the air ring is all crapped up . If it is the ring I'll do what a few have and rip it out and use a few air cans in instead

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    Works for a Nexus but don't think it works for an Eazy Pod?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frimley Koi keeper View Post
    Works for a Nexus but don't think it works for an Eazy Pod?
    Couldn't say mate . Never had a proper look at the pods

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    Couldn't say mate . Never had a proper look at the pods

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    I believe an Eazy Pod is just the centre section of a Nexus which can be replaced with a drop in Draco drum
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frimley Koi keeper View Post
    I believe an Eazy Pod is just the centre section of a Nexus which can be replaced with a drop in Draco drum
    Then not sure on why you couldn't swop it out for stones but honestly just don't have the experience to say 100percent

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