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    I'd put it on the floor after levelling it and go for a Tommy side drain with a 90 bend pointing at the bottom. If you leave a 10mm gap between the 90 and the bottom of the tub it will work the same as a bottom drain. Just point the returns at it from the other side of the tub.
    Or as you say, stick to pump fed until pond is built.
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    following this build
    but i lack the imagination to imagine what you are building...

    ...you do own a mobile phone with a camera...? not a nokia 3310


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    Quote Originally Posted by davethefish1 View Post
    following this build
    but i lack the imagination to imagine what you are building...

    ...you do own a mobile phone with a camera...? not a nokia 3310

    Now hey . You can say what you want about frim . But them nokias were the dogs . Lol haha New house, new pond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    Now hey . You can say what you want about frim . But them nokias were the dogs . Lol haha New house, new pond.

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    think i've still got one kicking about somewhere lol
    probably being used as a door stop....

    and it probably still works

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    Quote Originally Posted by davethefish1 View Post
    following this build
    but i lack the imagination to imagine what you are building...

    ...you do own a mobile phone with a camera...? not a nokia 3310

    There's nothing to take photos of yet Dave, unless you want to see a bare brick wall after I cut the bush back lol I'll see if I can get some photos tomorrow if it's not too cold out there OK
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    Quote Originally Posted by davethefish1 View Post
    think i've still got one kicking about somewhere lol
    probably being used as a door stop....

    and it probably still works
    Still got charge left in the battery too no doubt
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    Not heard of any yet but just had to ask the question as to what was the best option.

    My issue is I have to try to part bury the pond, then dig a slightly deeper channel for the BD and pipework to sit in and unless I can put something between the top of the pipework and the bottom of the pond I'm worried out there being an unsupported channel under the pond. I don't think I can go the traditional route of installing the BD and pipework first, then burying the pipework and then fitting the BD to the bottom of the pond as it's going to be very difficult to line up the pond, the BD and the fixing for the BD to the pond. It would be easier to fit the BD and pipework to the bottom of the pond then put it in the hole. Moving the pond will probably be at least a 2 person job as it weighs 80 kg and that's without the BD and pipework attached
    Gotcha - is your tub a thick or thin plastic? My poly pond is about an inch thick so think it may have enough support. For mine i'm planning to attach the bottom drain and 4" pipe while the tank sits on its side, then some how slowly lower it down into the hole, and somehow line up the pipework to the trench. If I start my build before yours and it completely fails, I'll give you a warning to go pump fed LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel96 View Post
    Gotcha - is your tub a thick or thin plastic? My poly pond is about an inch thick so think it may have enough support. For mine i'm planning to attach the bottom drain and 4" pipe while the tank sits on its side, then some how slowly lower it down into the hole, and somehow line up the pipework to the trench. If I start my build before yours and it completely fails, I'll give you a warning to go pump fed LOL!
    That's what I was thinking I'm might have to do with mine but it's not as thick as yours is. Where did you get yours from?
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    That's what I was thinking I'm might have to do with mine but it's not as thick as yours is. Where did you get yours from?
    Mine is actually a poly rainwater tank cut in half. I'm in Australia so super common tank around here. I'm now thinking about going through the side of the tank, with a retro fit drain, gravity to RDF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel96 View Post
    Mine is actually a poly rainwater tank cut in half. I'm in Australia so super common tank around here. I'm now thinking about going through the side of the tank, with a retro fit drain, gravity to RDF.
    Bum holes!! I thought you were in the UK lol what's the P&P from Oz to the UK for something like that?

    Explains why it's so thick walled too
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    Wish I was in UK! We can't source any RDFs here without paying an arm and a leg for import fees, and can only import two brands!! The thick walls are great as it gives you extra support with screws and such.

    Most people give away damaged poly rainwater tanks, usually when they get holes in the roof. Good for fish keepers as you cut the damage out and get a cheap pond. I have my 15,000litre pond for $200 aud.

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    That's about how much mine has gone up in price this year, but that's UK pounds
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    .. You know you want an airlift or two...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NickK-UK View Post
    .. You know you want an airlift or two...
    Or 3 Nick
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    Finally some photos but nothing to get excited about yet



    I'm thinking the pond will go on the edge of the grass on the left hand corner with the filters on the patio as tight to the wall as possible allowing for working space for filter cleaning.



    Slightly more close up view. Taken late afternoon with low sun and finger obscuring the left hand edge of the picture - true pro photographer style
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    Oooo big garden mean BIG pond ???

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    Nice natural pond would look great in there

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    May have to empty this shed and move it to get pond into the back garden?



    That's all for now until I order the temporary pond.

    May have a dig later to see what's actually under the top soil.

    I think the fence can be taken off the wall to make access easier?



    Bricks, blocks, slabs and other general bits to move and later reuse for new temporary pond.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    Oooo big garden mean BIG pond ???

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    Well the initial plan is get something up and running first to move the fish into and then build something bigger from the tree to the bottom corner which is about 1.5 times the distance between the tree and the patio as a guess, could be longer?

    The brick wall could be useful for mounting filter etc and possibly a lean to type shed on the patio for the filters etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    Nice natural pond would look great in there

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    That depends on what's under the top soil. I've been told there's an old site road which will be almost impossible to get through or if not the grounds chalk which will be equally difficult to get through seeing as it's going to have to be dug out by hand as digger access isn't possible without causing major disruption to the back garden and wall etc.
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