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    Qt build (quicker than frims)

    am going to start the a grow on this yeah am on cleaning a space out for it now ill get photos up as and when I can.
    Internal dimensions will be 1mx1mx1.35 so 300gal ish. It's just gunna be cheap and cheerful as always with me. It's going in a double skin brick shed that's built on the house so nice and safe am just going to use insulation boards on the 3 brick walls but rather then just insulate the water am going to run the boards the full 8ft they come in as it's a tall ceiling and use one as a false ceiling that way the air the shower filter every thing will be insulated the side where the day is am just gunna use some maybe 18mm osb and add a couple surports insulate both the water and the shed door. And drop a liner in. It'll be pump fed to a sieve shower diy.. Not be the the greatest qt but it'll work and should be nice and tidy. When I get some pictures up a think it'll start to make sence.. First question light source there is no light in this shed any ideas thought of just a clip on inspection lamp?

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    Sounds like a good project AJ, will definitely be following this. My advise would be to add a bottom drain you can still have this pump fed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeh83 View Post
    Sounds like a good project AJ, will definitely be following this. My advise would be to add a bottom drain you can still have this pump fed.


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    I did want a bd but can't be arse core drilling holes. The shed is in to parts a large shed done out with kitchen cupboards work tops ect and a smaller part that is literally the dimensions of the qt just a square box ready made qt in my eyes lol. Excuse all the work gear that's getting evicted tonight

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    Good luck with it.
    If you can be bothered, I agree with Mike, go with a BD. I so wish I had on my little grown on/quarantine set up, even with minimal feeding, I'm syphoning it every day. I put a slightly more powerful pump in there yesterday, hoping that will pull out the solids a little more.

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    What I was thinking of using is just some standard 1.5 pipe running the full width in the center with slots cut in. Like a k1 strainer but longer??

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    That might work AJ, just remember if you are going to raise fry in this aswell as using it for a quarantine then you don't want to suck them through the pump when you first put them in.

    When I did it I used a caged pump with one of the wifes stocking legs over the cage to keep the fry out til they were big enough. Ahh.. the good old days when the missus still wore stockings


    By the way, I like the title of the thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by arceye View Post
    That might work AJ, just remember if you are going to raise fry in this aswell as using it for a quarantine then you don't want to suck them through the pump when you first put them in.

    When I did it I used a caged pump with one of the wifes stocking legs over the cage to keep the fry out til they were big enough. Ahh.. the good old days when the missus still wore stockings


    By the way, I like the title of the thread
    Thought about using the pre filter sponges that slip over the pipe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    Thought about using the pre filter sponges that slip over the pipe?

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    That should do it no bother I'd think.

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    Lights what's peoples ideas on lighting please

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    I'm also intrigued what people recommend for my Qt.

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    After talking on the temp thread about clay and salt. I emailed nf koi and got a answer stright back. They back the use of clay but don't advise using salt unless moving in to cold water later on in the year.. Yet when you go on cuttlebrook they use salt in fry tanks and advised john1 to do the same. Lost here like do I don't I. Any more experiences with the above??

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    That's up to you Aj, this is the first year I did salt and I didnt loose any for the first time and these are the healthiest lot I have had.

    Maybe coincidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john1 View Post
    That's up to you Aj, this is the first year I did salt and I didnt loose any for the first time and these are the healthiest lot I have had.

    Maybe coincidence.
    Thinking middle ground as you did John. Did you clay at all mate gunna salt and clay a few days before they get here so water should clear and be in top condition for them ordering my insulation next couple days. And now the wife as dropped a bomb on is with the new covid lock down lifts she wants to hire a princess for a garden party for little legs birthday but at the moment my garden looks like bazzas so the list to getting bigger and the time line is shorter and shorter like.. 2 birds tho Need to add landdrainage in garden but while doing that means I can lay the filter waste to main drain and lay a water supply to filter box so swings and roundabouts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    After talking on the temp thread about clay and salt. I emailed nf koi and got a answer stright back. They back the use of clay but don't advise using salt unless moving in to cold water later on in the year.. Yet when you go on cuttlebrook they use salt in fry tanks and advised john1 to do the same. Lost here like do I don't I. Any more experiences with the above??

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    It's odd how different places give different answers! I spoke to someone at Gatwick Koi about trying to replicate sunlight using LED or fluorescent lighting and was told it wasn't possible to do and I thought the guy's attitude was very off hand. I then spoke to a place in Tring, is that Cuttlebrook? and was told they used to metal metal halide and have recently swapped to LED but unfortunately the woman I spoke to wasn't sure what variety of LED they used and said she'd get someone to ring me back. They never did.

    So basically 2 contradicting answers to a very simple question, sounds the same as what you are getting Aj.
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    Not Tring, Thame so was Cuttlebrook Koi.

    Just checked their address.
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    You can use LED lighting for growing plants, so I would imagine this would be the variety you would want to try replicate the sunlight

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    That's what I thought but there's a vitamin you get from sunlight that you can't replicate so the guy at Gatwick Koi said. Also he mentioned something about koi loosing a particular colour if they don't get natural sunlight but Cuttlebrook didn't seem to agree?
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    Never used clay Aj,not knocking it just never thought about useing it may try it one day but I am one of those to leave well alone.

    As for salt,I am not an that much for it to be honest.
    I have bought a few tosai from Chris at Koimasters over the past and he salts his main pond everything.
    He told me he visits Japan several times a year and has done so for years and he said he has seen full truck loads of salt delivered to their farms on several occasions and they use it.
    Mark at Cuttlebrook has worked on Japan koi farms for years so he must know what he is talking about.

    Not saying its right or wrong but it has worked for me though I only added it once at the start so probably been diluted out by now.

    Be useing it again next year though not in my main pond.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john1 View Post
    Never used clay Aj,not knocking it just never thought about useing it may try it one day but I am one of those to leave well alone.

    As for salt,I am not an that much for it to be honest.
    I have bought a few tosai from Chris at Koimasters over the past and he salts his main pond everything.
    He told me he visits Japan several times a year and has done so for years and he said he has seen full truck loads of salt delivered to their farms on several occasions and they use it.
    Mark at Cuttlebrook has worked on Japan koi farms for years so he must know what he is talking about.

    Not saying its right or wrong but it has worked for me though I only added it once at the start so probably been diluted out by now.

    Be useing it again next year though not in my main pond.
    Ah so you are getting more fry then lol.. Good man knew you couldn't resist haha. Think it's all open to interpretation really isn't it some say this and that but top and bottom its all personal preference a quess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frimley Koi keeper View Post
    That's what I thought but there's a vitamin you get from sunlight that you can't replicate so the guy at Gatwick Koi said. Also he mentioned something about koi loosing a particular colour if they don't get natural sunlight but Cuttlebrook didn't seem to agree?
    Vitamin D is what you get from sunlight, so possibly able to supplement with food?

    Regarding lighting...

    I think for lighting it used to be Metal Halide in the 6500k range but they will be pretty energy inefficient I'd think.

    What about SAD lighting, that may work? This one is 6500k at the upper end, low voltage and low watts, https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/35000-Lux...Cclp%3A2334524

    Thats just one of the first up in a search, don't know how many you'd need but possibly worth a look.

    Thinking about it you can get LED lightbulbs in the "daytime" 6500k range as well, they might do the job just as well? Not sure if they have the required spectrum though.

    And another option, already mentioned by Samp I bet would work is LED Grow lights, like this one

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1000W-LED...Cclp%3A2334524

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