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  1. #81
    I'm no expert, but it's how I have mine. Plenty of flow.

    My only issue is that the return from the skimmer to the sieve to the shower isn't powerful enough to run both the in pond return and shower, I'll probably upgrade the pump next year to a 20k. I believe you already have a 20k.

    I'd see if anyone has an input on if you need two returns too on each side.

    On the two returns I have (one each side), one is lower than the other if that makes sense New House, New Pond.

    Jay

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    I am hoping this will create an anti clockwise rotation.

    I could run 1 at 30cm on the skimmer side and one at 60 on the non skimmer side. Less pipe connectors! The reason for 30 & 60cm will mean the pipe work will be hidden under grass level.

    I have 2x 18,000L pumps i plan on having 1 running on each return. In the future one of these will run though an ASHP. But thats a cost for another day.

    I literally want to see no pipes, cables etc. Messes with my OCD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by youmustcomply View Post
    So its finally the time where i can start thinking about building a new pond. I am hoping to go Rectangle, concrete block, partially raised with a window and fiberglass lined.

    I am looking about 4.5m x 2.3m external dimensions. Toying between 1.2m and 1.5m deep and being 80cm above ground with a 3M x 70cm window.

    I am looking for a contractor to come in and do the messy part, dig a hole, remove soil, concrete slab with a bottom drain and then do the block work. I will pick up from there.

    I have had 1 quote so far, £5500 for 1.2m deep and £6500 for 1.5m deep.

    Not going to lie, but the price shocked me a little. Can anyone add any insight into these costs, whether or not they are excessive or about right.

    Many thanks
    I have some initial estimate costs buried in my thread, I'll have to sort out a easier link at some point.

    Costs for digging for me are quite high, I don't have the logistical space for a dump truck, or a motor dumper, I just managed a 0.8t digger. This means skip hire - at £440 per 12yd skip. I also have a drain hole cover that needs support - initially I tried hiring for a stupid cost, but ended up buying my own 48Kg 44tn capable 'plastic' construction site plate used for spanning trenches. Two skips down, I have another skips worth but for now I've started on the pipework.
    Just me digging and it's taken months.. for various reasons.

    My estimate Concrete slab is a good 800 if you need to pump, blockwork 1K. Now it depends on your BD and pipework etc.
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    Its all good, its all been dug and blocked now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by youmustcomply View Post
    Its all good, its all been dug and blocked now.
    I just noted the length of the thread lol. That's what you get when you quickly start reading and respond just before a conference call on a Friday afternoon..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spongebob View Post
    With the cost of that id of chiselled it out!. Comes out fairly easily suprisingly.
    Agreed - You can either save the pipe (chisel the fitting off) or save the fitting (heat and bend the pipe).

    I've replaced a coupling on my Draco by chiselling it off. Works very well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NickK-UK View Post
    Agreed - You can either save the pipe (chisel the fitting off) or save the fitting (heat and bend the pipe).

    I've replaced a coupling on my Draco by chiselling it off. Works very well.
    Its in my garage if i need it. Its not going in the bin thats for sure haha!

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    I was not wrong when I said that gluing pipes leads to lots of swearing was I
    Your builder has made rapid progress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feline View Post
    I was not wrong when I said that gluing pipes leads to lots of swearing was I
    Your builder has made rapid progress.
    The bottom drain went on beautifully, no swearing.
    The extension socket, oh my days.The room turned blue haha Luckily i had two! The swept bend also went on beautifully,

    Builder was done in 3 days, 1 of those days was a 12 hour day though. It was quite nice watching other people do the hard stuff haha

    Over to me now to get the rest of my pipe ordered. I can't imagine I will get my returns done before xmas,

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayjt29 View Post
    I have a ball valve fitted after the skimmer, prior to the sieve. I put it there should I need to remove the sieve. I also use it when cleaning the filters/water changes.

    Jay

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    thats how mine is setup. skimmer to ball valve. then to ultra sieve 3 . pump after sieve. return uv ball valve mid return tpr.

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    So there hasn’t been any progress for a while. But today I managed to get the returns drilled. Decided to go with 3x 2” in the end.
    So now that I have finished procrastinating about where to drill I can actually get on and order the fittings needed to actually fit the pipe.



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    Silicone from a plumbers merchants makes it much easier to connect pvc pipe fittings as opposed to washing up liquid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackboy View Post
    Silicone from a plumbers merchants makes it much easier to connect pvc pipe fittings as opposed to washing up liquid.

    Yes but fairy and silicone isnt fish friendly.If using push fit fittings on ponds,use olive oil on joints

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    Good idea the olive oil,I use food grade grease/ vaseline but only a touch as it can get too slippy.
    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by john1 View Post
    Good idea the olive oil,I use food grade grease/ vaseline but only a touch as it can get too slippy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john1 View Post
    Good idea the olive oil,I use food grade grease/ vaseline but only a touch as it can get too slippy.
    Thought vaseline can perish the rubber on the seals?

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    All the returns will be using pressure pipe. I am however going to use push fit for the skimmer line as it will easily accessible and not in any concrete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    Thought vaseline can perish the rubber on the seals?

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    Dont know about that Aj,its more of a grease very thick in a small tin I use it on all my push fit 4ins above ground and never had problems.

    I only use a tiny smear too much and the joint will come loose.
    John

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  33. #99
    So today I started doing the returns. Yay! Made some good progress. Will be working on the skimmer soon. Do I need to fix this in place before fiberglassing? Pond will be insulated.

    Will be using poly resin to hold the returns in place so could use this on the skimmer too.

    Skimmer is a JBR plastics one, which sits in place of the concrete block.

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    Plumbing almost complete:






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