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    It's not only the particles of silicates that will effect the fish physically as it will distress the gills. It is also the lime in the cement that will change the water stats such as pH as it leaches out - have a read of this: https://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/fa028
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    Here are a couple of before pictures.


    I will post some in-between and finished pictures later next week.
    Basically I'm raising the stepping stones and adding a skimmer with the Draco Drum Solum 25 RDF (it's currently sitting in Bangkok customs) so hopefully they are not to hard on me.
    Later
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    Quote Originally Posted by algarth View Post
    The man is an idiot and certainly not worth wasting breath and energy on
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    Shane you’re not in the UK, brave at a distance
    Come on guys we had this a few weeks ago, if you don’t like the post ignore it and move on,
    Do Not Feed The Troll

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    I note you post the same questions on Koiphen, perhaps you’re waiting for the answer you want to hear rather than taking the advice that is offered in good faith?
    Maybe the Lieca forum is frequented by muppets...or maybe its you?

    Imo, you have a grossly under filtered pond, it’s also new, you’re overstocked and keep changing making major changes whilst all the time exposing to fish to the inherent dangers that all of the above entail.
    You had the opportunity of sorting it out an an early stage and have all the makings of a potentially lovely pond but you’re either too arrogant or too thick to listen to those with the actual hands on experience.
    I believe you need to listen before it’s too late for your fish.
    Cement and water don’t mix, end of.
    There’s no shortcuts in this game, everything takes time and effort.
    All the time it’s your fish that will suffer but hey, they’re cheap in Thailand so who cares?


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    Come on guys we had this a few weeks ago, if you don’t like the post ignore it and move on,
    Do Not Feed The Troll
    Your as bad as them.......... practice what you preach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by algarth View Post
    I find it hard to ignore people who dont listen and end up killing their koi Sorry
    No dead koi here Kermit

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcarpchaser View Post
    I note you post the same questions on Koiphen, perhaps you’re waiting for the answer you want to hear rather than taking the advice that is offered in good faith?
    Maybe the Lieca forum is frequented by muppets...or maybe its you?

    Imo, you have a grossly under filtered pond, it’s also new, you’re overstocked and keep changing making major changes whilst all the time exposing to fish to the inherent dangers that all of the above entail.
    You had the opportunity of sorting it out an an early stage and have all the makings of a potentially lovely pond but you’re either too arrogant or too thick to listen to those with the actual hands on experience.
    I believe you need to listen before it’s too late for your fish.
    Cement and water don’t mix, end of.
    There’s no shortcuts in this game, everything takes time and effort.
    All the time it’s your fish that will suffer but hey, they’re cheap in Thailand so who cares?


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    Seriously what's wrong with asking the same question to multiple audiences..........
    There are actually guys on the other side of the pond that think it's perfectly safe to work with cement in the pond........ personally I'm not sure so I'm going to take the conservative approach and have them in a day tank while the mods are getting done.
    Out of the 20+ replies to this thread most of them are Muppets taking the piss and being argumentive.
    If you notice the real members have replied with constructive feedback which I have acknowledged and will use in my decision making......the Muppets will get back what they dribble.
    Again I'm sorry to the real members that have to listen to this, it's a shame, it really is
    Neil

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    Pond repairs with fish in the pond

    Stay there then and do us all a favour Pond repairs with fish in the pond

    “There are actually guys on the other side of the pond that think it's perfectly safe to work with cement in the pond”

    Errr, one, singular.


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    Last edited by bigcarpchaser; 26-07-2020 at 12:43 PM.

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  13. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by bigcarpchaser View Post

    Imo, you have a grossly under filtered pond.


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    Just noticed this.......you really don't have a clue mate, you really don't

    My pond is turned over every 45 minutes
    With 2 X 1 HP pumps putting out ~57 GPM each feeding
    2 X static bed
    2 X moving bed
    1 X waterfall
    I X Bakki Shower
    I have a 3500 l/he submersible pump feeding
    1 X Protein skimmer
    On Tuesday I will have a Draco Drum Solum 25 gravity feed RDF installed along with a 100 micron skimmer...... In my suction tank

    Plenty

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    Large pumps does not equate to biological filtration.
    Your 3 barrels are more suited to something half the size. Maybe less.
    Shower? That’s not a Bakki shower
    Protein skimmer..do you even know what one is for?
    If I don’t know what I’m doing then I best fill my pond in now and give up.
    Fool.


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    Cement contains chemicals that burn our skin. I can’t image it’d do the fish much good


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    Well, half the gear Pond repairs with fish in the pond


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    Pond repairs with fish in the pond

    Seems to be a witch hunt Pond repairs with fish in the pond

    I have had others advise me to use and insulation board to float on the water to catch any falling cement.

    Comments are made without even knowing what the project entails..

    Likely is best to not comment for the haters and also not retaliate as it’s just fuels it.

    Your pond looks beautiful, Next time try and plan it all out in advance to avoid the need for the modifications.

    As others have said cement in the water is not good, what the short or long term impacts would be I could not comment.


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    Seriously?


    I can’t be arsed anymore
    Goodbye.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcarpchaser View Post
    Seriously?


    I can’t be arsed anymore
    Goodbye.


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    And now its time to say goodbye to Bigcarpchaser and all his friends........hahahahhahahahah

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeh83 View Post
    Seems to be a witch hunt Pond repairs with fish in the pond



    Next time try and plan it all out in advance to avoid the need for the modifications.



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    Morning Mike you hit it on the nail, As a norm I am good at doing that but this whole Koi pond extension thing was done on the spur of the moment due to the COVID 19 pandemic. I woke up one morning and said F*** It what am I going to do today and the start of my love afair with Koi fish started. I have made quite a few mistakes along the way doing this pond but hopefully this last modification will seal the deal and it will be kick back and enjoy watching my Koi grow.
    Neil

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    I’m sure we have all made some mistakes along the way.. the main thing is learn from them and pass on the knowledge learned. I assume that’s why you are hear to learn.

    Try and take the advise given as it’s normally learnt from others mistakes Pond repairs with fish in the pond

    Hope it all settles for you and your koi live a long healthy life Pond repairs with fish in the pond


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    Blimey Neil you are like the Terminator - can't be stopped !!!! I'll be back LOL

    But on a serious note -

    Maybe different countries use different ingredients (sorry not the right word but hopefully you know what I am trying to say?) in their cement and as a result some are more toxic or harmful than others?

    Maybe if you can find a PDF on the composition of your cement in Thailand from the company that makes it or supplies it you can post it on here or just google the various items on the list to see what's harmful and what isn't. Then you will have a definitive answer, hopefully.

    Maybe in Thailand the regulations on that type of thing aren't as strict as it in Europe or the UK so maybe more difficult to find anything helpful about it?

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    With that percentage of lime in the cement it would mess with your PH and KH big time.

    To prove a point though, get a tub of good quality fish safe pond water and test it for Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrate, PH, KH, GH and chlorine. Then start to add small amounts of wet cement into the water, say a tea spoon at most at a time, give it a good stir and then retest the water to see how much difference it makes to your previous readings. Add another tea spoon and retest.

    There could be other chemicals in the cement that are far more harmful than the ones listed on that site which you can't test for so as already said above, don't risk it.
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