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    Well I hoped you did get it finished and started on some trenches ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbs View Post
    Well I hoped you did get it finished and started on some trenches ??
    Didn’t stop raining! Only job outdoors was to sort out a dripping gutter :/

    Three pond related jobs today: order skip, order 45s, plan bill of materials for wood for cover.

    I will look at something like a 3x3 up pole (note that these both will have existing fence pole and spur, along with a 8x2xfront span, 6x2xmid span. then 2x2 ribs (or 4x2 ribs). Not sure yet.

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    Been an overly busy week at work and home. However skip number two order - it should be here next week.

    In other news - my Draco drum is out of action again. The float switch stopped the pump as the drum failed to self clean. On investigation the drum controller had a puddle of water in it shorting the PSU 240V live to earth. It blew the fuse in the Matsuka switch box and on replacing that it appears that the PSU is dead (I assume the internal PCB fuse). I've tried a different 12V PSU temporarily and the drum washed fine. I think I've traced the culprit being the buttons on the front which I will change and I will add earthing connections for the buttons too.
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    Damn, doesn't sound like you are having a lot of luck with that !!

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    Your having some unluck mate. Hope it all comes good for you lol

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    I'll leave the drum updates to the product review in the other sub forum.. but the second skip arrived a day early. Luckily I was cooking lunch and not on video conference with customers. Experience has now taught me that delivery dates are +/- 1-2 days and collection can be +5 days on advising them it's ready to collect!

    Oddly feeling quite relieved and happy to get the mountain moved as of Saturday it's got to the point of stepping on the mound to get over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddyboy View Post
    Your having some unluck mate. Hope it all comes good for you lol
    You'd have thought!

    The father-in-law contracted Covid19 whilst going in for a routine operation, two weeks ago we had to make a mad dash to France. The wife managed to talk to him in intensive care but after being put into an artificial coma he passed away last week so after the funeral I've just returned and in quarantine. The skip company have been (so far I've talked to the subcontracted skip company locally and I've not heard a peep out of REM waste from a email explaining the situation) understanding.. the skip was blocked in by a car so they couldn't collect but that gives me time today and tomorrow to get it filled as much as possible.

    Anyways - the dig continues..
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    Sorry to hear the sad news Nick, it is a very odd world at the moment, hopefully the pond helps keep your mind on better things.

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    Sorry to hear of the loss nick.

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    So .. just as I had to leave for France and the state yesterday on my return..
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    And today (I've done two barrow loads after dusk):
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    So I'm cream-crackered.

    I will continue with a couple of barrows when I can tomorrow - assuming they don't want to collect the skip.. I should be able to clear the pile
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    Well I got another 5 barrow loads today but they collected the skip today out of the blue. Not a problem as they've held out for the time in France.

    The road plate was awesome - literally picked up, throw it down and loaded skip lorry had no problem going over it.

    So I still have a bit less than the photo but considering the eve-day-morning that I had it was better than nothing! Probably will get another skip - a smaller one this time around then load it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NickK-UK View Post
    Well I got another 5 barrow loads today but they collected the skip today out of the blue. Not a problem as they've held out for the time in France.

    The road plate was awesome - literally picked up, throw it down and loaded skip lorry had no problem going over it.

    So I still have a bit less than the photo but considering the eve-day-morning that I had it was better than nothing! Probably will get another skip - a smaller one this time around then load it up.
    Shame they picked it up now but hey as you say at least you got some in before they did !!

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    Back to digging - this time for the drainage move.

    The green pipe route will need to be moved (including the rodding eye) leftwards to where the gold colour route will be, this removes the pipes from the location where the wall will be (red) and allow the positioning of the pond piping (blue). The nice thing is that the piping is push fit so it should simply reseat.. although I will need a connector for the shortened pipe as I'll be cutting off the normal push-fit end piece.

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    This looks like a true labour of love and your perseverence is admirable to say the least.
    I will follow your progress with great interest. Good luck!
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    Glad.to see some progress Nick, and nicely planned out as always Pond 2.0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukzero View Post
    This looks like a true labour of love and your perseverence is admirable to say the least.
    I will follow your progress with great interest. Good luck!
    I probably complicate things and through the analyse-plan-implement is probably a little slower than most however with just me doing it, and the accessibility logistics, it saves a little bit in the long run by planning and going a little slower . The 5Ps Next issue is that the 5 meter sections of pipe sit in the way of digging in the garage.. so it's a bit like that shifting block game..

    In terms of timing with winter approaching - it depends on the company delivering the concrete, but if heated concrete delivery is possible then you can lay down to 2degC but the concrete needs to be wrapped and the initial setting will be very slow and protected from freezing. Most places seem to indicate 5-10degC can still be laid with precautions (plastic and matting over the top for example). In the past I laid a telescope pier with temps dropping below freezing at night by covering and putting an oil radiator under the covers but this is larger.
    The short of it is that unless you cover the area, warm it to 10degC (and the blocks if block laying) then it's a no go - the mortar will be disintegrating and separating from the blocks within a year or two.

    If I get the piping down and backfilled, the site prepped to reduce erosion by water/frost then it can be overwintered. I would have liked to have the slab laid and the first few rounds of blocks laid - annoying with all the delays but I'm not going to beat myself up about it.
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    So:
    * Garage slab is 150mm ~5-6inches on a SDS drill bit
    * Garage wall foundations are 680mm down from the door until then it's brickwork. I have 115mm and 150mm coring bits I've used before so this is looking straight forward.
    * Waste pipe is 110mm too so everything is 110mm except the air pipes (1").
    * Piping width will be about 400mm and I can then get all pipes through that width.

    The Pond floor hole depth is currently 2090mm - or 340mm base and 1750mm of water depth above that.

    Garden to water level 630mm, waste pipe is 1200mm below water level (and about 40cm below garden level) and the garage floor is 680mm below water level with a 150mm slab.

    This info is needed for (a) the two return that comes back from the garage under the bio - these are the deepest pipes.

    The bio base needs to sit 830mm below water level - the exit point of the pipe is meant to be about 130mm but mine are 110mm so this may differ a little.

    So this means if the pipes for the returns need to go under the bio but exit the garage above the waste pipe (the existing drain is moved but there is a 110mm drainage pipe that comes in from off the property.

    Measuring from the water level (this is were having a laser level that sits on a tripod is useful) it means the base of the bio unit is sat 150mm below the garage floor. I then have 370mm of space below that base to put in the return pipes which means I can run the returns under the base supporting the bio unit. However this is not the fun...
    The fun is the centre of the outlet of the bio is 130mm above the base. at which point the water needs todo a 180. Not ideal but sometimes you have to make compromises. So in that space from the outlet to 370mm below the base I need to fit the pipe and, as originally designed, two large radius 90 degree bends which have a radius of 300mm. PLUS I would need to fit a 110mm valve in and they aren't small. Originally I had thought of running the returns part above the garage floor and then drop down under at the point the inlets rise through it..

    So the new idea is this - use a T for the inlet - (provides a way of cleaning too) and then run a large radius, the two return valve would then sit under the bio. An alternative is to mount the return valves on the up pipe of as it enters the pond with the added benefit if there's a leak it can be cut off at at the source of the water (the pond). It just is in an inconvenient location at the back of the pond so I need to think about the operation and the sweep of the lever.

    Sounds like a plan.

    Next step - order.. with all the fun of blackfriday weekend and slow websites..

    Last day of quarantine today - woot!

    Edit: looks like week ahead of from 1-5degC at night so looks like pouring the slab will have to wait until next year.
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