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    Quote Originally Posted by chris.viner87 View Post
    Thanks mate - look decent, but wow they’re big money hey! 10ft x 10ft has a price tag of £7k... I think I could make it for a lot less and spend that money on kit and fish instead Marine Reefing to Koi - My build thread

    I’m going to look today at what shape/size I could do after looking at the sewer drain lines better. I’m thinking a triangle shape could work, but worry it’ll limit my gallon size potential. When everyone is talking gallons are we talking imperial or US gallons? My hope was to aim for 4,000, but I’m concerned I’ll struggle to hit 2,000 now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    Fred was it ray man on here that had a moveable tank with window and very thing ? Only other way to max put gal is 5 1/2 foot deep even go 6 foot like fred be it 3 foot below ground and 3 foot above

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    No not rayman. He had a large plastic one I believe. Then covered outsides. Did a great job . Looked the buisness.

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    UK gallons lol. Just go deeper for more volume

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    Thought that was the case, but just wanted to check - in the Reefing community we often use US because we’re comparing with their systems


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    Hi Chris, this is what i mentioned to you earlier regarding the sewer pipes..... its difficult from your photo to determine what way they are running across your garden... you need to be at least 1.5m away from any pipe, you will need to put down a good depth concrete base for the pond to sit upon to avoid subsidence if near pipe work in case you get sinkage and potentially crack / damage pipes, i had the same issue myself..... you will need to come away from that corner by the looks of things but you could put your filtration equipment in the corner sitting on blocks to spread the weight. worst case you would remove your filtration and not your pond in an emergency to get to underground pipes, i think most repairs are done by inserting a slightly smaller pipe sleeve anyway so unless it was a major issue they should be able to insert using cameras away from your equipment.
    Can you draw the pipe line directional lay on your photograph, cheers Steve

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    Hi Chris, this is what i mentioned to you earlier regarding the sewer pipes..... its difficult from your photo to determine what way they are running across your garden... you need to be at least 1.5m away from any pipe, you will need to put down a good depth concrete base for the pond to sit upon to avoid subsidence if near pipe work in case you get sinkage and potentially crack / damage pipes, i had the same issue myself..... you will need to come away from that corner by the looks of things but you could put your filtration equipment in the corner sitting on blocks to spread the weight. worst case you would remove your filtration and not your pond in an emergency to get to underground pipes, i think most repairs are done by inserting a slightly smaller pipe sleeve anyway so unless it was a major issue they should be able to insert using cameras away from your equipment.
    Can you draw the pipe line directional lay on your photograph, cheers Steve
    Thanks Steve - so this is what I was thinking, but your suggestions might stop me by the sounds of things Marine Reefing to Koi - My build thread


    So this layout is 11ft front to back and 17ft length of front panel - at 4.5ft deep that would be ~2,600 gallons


    This layout is 11ft front to back and 20ft length of front panel - at 4.5ft depth thats ~3,000 gallons


    Thankfully the drains all go one straight route and don’t cross where I was planning - all those inlets are capped off



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    But what steve is saying that 1.5 will take a hell of a lot out . What have the building regs got to say on it . . I helped build a garage the other year and we put it straight over the very main drain takeing the whole village waste to the plant we had to reinforce the hell out it concrete bridge the works . Could you bridge the pipe and have half you pond say 5 foot deep and a shallow half just build out of ground . Not ideal but an idea ????

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    Hi Chris,

    i have a sewer pipe that runs along the back of the house which is connected to around 10 houses it runs true along the back of our houses, it is a bit deeper than yours by the looks of things as its older being a 1945 house, yours is probably younger looking at the pipes,(yours look plastic, mine are ceramic) i have my filtration sitting over the sewer pipe but the weight is spread with blocks which it all sits upon across the back of my house, the pond was dug 1.3m from this pipe. i was advised 1.5m clearance by the builder where the pond is concerned and mine is sitting on a decent thick concrete base to avoid sinkage etc, i nicked every cm i could for volume, my pond then comes forward 3.5m approx running along the side of the galley kitchen so waste and water etc is all to hand, i could not extend any further out unfortunately as there is another pipe running across my garden but this is a freshwater run off pipe for rain water etc, so if you need to go a bit closer than 1.5 then sure it would be ok but don't go too close just in case!! my pond is 2200 gallons if you include all pipe / filter etc and is around 5.3ft deep....... its plenty deep enough and plenty big enouigh for upto 20 fish, if you can get between 2000 and 3000 gallons mate that's still a big pond,......... i am not trying to put you off fella just telling you what i experienced and what my builder told me......cheers Steve.
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    you can try to obtain permission from your water company to bridge the pipe as AJM has said but its not always granted, my wife's Nephew had to shorten his house extension as South East water would not allow his extension over it even though the manhole access was meters away.....

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    Hi Chris,

    i have a sewer pipe that runs along the back of the house which is connected to around 10 houses it runs true along the back of our houses, it is a bit deeper than yours by the looks of things as its older being a 1945 house, yours is probably younger looking at the pipes,(yours look plastic, mine are ceramic) i have my filtration sitting over the sewer pipe but the weight is spread with blocks which it all sits upon across the back of my house, the pond was dug 1.3m from this pipe. i was advised 1.5m clearance by the builder where the pond is concerned and mine is sitting on a decent thick concrete base to avoid sinkage etc, i nicked every cm i could for volume, my pond then comes forward 3m approx running along the side of the galley kitchen so waste and water etc is all to hand, i could not extend any further out unfortunately as there is another pipe running across my garden but this is a freshwater run off pipe for rain water etc, so if you need to go a bit closer than 1.5 then sure it would be ok but don't go too close just in case!! my pond is 2200 gallons if you include all pipe / filter etc and is around 5.3ft deep....... its plenty deep enough and plenty big enouigh for upto 20 fish, if you can get between 2000 and 3000 gallons mate that's still a big pond,......... i am not trying to put you off fella just telling you what i experienced and what my builder told me......cheers Steve.
    No mate, I appreciate your thoughts bud Marine Reefing to Koi - My build thread Yeah the houses in my estate were built in 2004, so not old at all. I’m confident that if we do it carefully we can come quite close to the drainage if I put in the right foundations. What are the dimensions of your pond Steve?

    I was only planing on doing 4.5ft deep of water, so 5.3ft would add a lot more water volume. What are the pros and cons of deeper or shallower from experience if the guys on here?


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    But what steve is saying that 1.5 will take a hell of a lot out . What have the building regs got to say on it . . I helped build a garage the other year and we put it straight over the very main drain takeing the whole village waste to the plant we had to reinforce the hell out it concrete bridge the works . Could you bridge the pipe and have half you pond say 5 foot deep and a shallow half just build out of ground . Not ideal but an idea ????

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    Yeah I think with the right foundations and planning it’s definitely possible to come closer, but Steve certainly has a fair point. I do have the bonus of Plastic piping unlike him though too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by smartin View Post
    you can try to obtain permission from your water company to bridge the pipe as AJM has said but its not always granted, my wife's Nephew had to shorten his house extension as South East water would not allow his extension over it even though the manhole access was meters away.....
    I’d rather avoiding moving them if I can - just seems like a lot of hassle and probably cost for little reward, because I wasn’t planning on going much bigger (if anything just over them, which I’m sure I can sacrifice - I’ll look into it though.


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    Hi Chris,

    we were not advising to move the pipes as that would be mega money and the authorities would not do i doubt, what we were saying was to put in concrete bridges over the pipe itself to protect it but if you can get a pond that your happy without all that hassle then happy days, what volume and dimensions have you come up without disturbing the pipes ? cheers Steve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartin View Post
    Hi Chris,

    we were not advising to move the pipes as that would be mega money and the authorities would not do i doubt, what we were saying was to put in concrete bridges over the pipe itself to protect it but if you can get a pond that your happy without all that hassle then happy days, what volume and dimensions have you come up without disturbing the pipes ? cheers Steve.
    Yeah steve spot on mate sorry Chris a didn't make that one clear my bad

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    Hi Chris,

    we were not advising to move the pipes as that would be mega money and the authorities would not do i doubt, what we were saying was to put in concrete bridges over the pipe itself to protect it but if you can get a pond that your happy without all that hassle then happy days, what volume and dimensions have you come up without disturbing the pipes ? cheers Steve.
    Ah cool, I see - suppose I could look at that when I carry out the dig. My thinking right now is without touching the pipes, I can fit a triangle that should achieve 3,069 gallons.

    So front to back would be 10ft
    Length of front panel 18ft
    Depth 5.5ft

    I’m thinking that volume, plus what I could fit out in the fish room along with all the piping, I’ll be getting towards 3,500 gallons all in all, which is pretty decent really.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chris.viner87 View Post
    Ah cool, I see - suppose I could look at that when I carry out the dig. My thinking right now is without touching the pipes, I can fit a triangle that should achieve 3,069 gallons.

    So front to back would be 10ft
    Length of front panel 18ft
    Depth 5.5ft

    I’m thinking that volume, plus what I could fit out in the fish room along with all the piping, I’ll be getting towards 3,500 gallons all in all, which is pretty decent really.


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    sounds great Chris, i wish i could of got to 3000 galllons!

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    sounds great Chris, i wish i could of got to 3000 galllons!
    You’ve got 2,000 though haven’t you?! That’s still decent mate!


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    What’s the dimensions of yours Steve?


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    Quote Originally Posted by chris.viner87 View Post
    What’s the dimensions of yours Steve?


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    Hi Chris my actual internal (water volume) dimensions are 300cm x 200cm x 160cm = 2111 gallons plus filtration and pipework so probably around 2200 gallons approx, external dimensions are around 350cm x270cmx180cm, are you going part in ground and remainder above ground safety in mind for the children ?? cheers Steve.
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    Wish I had 2000 gal . I should have gone 5 foot deep that extra ft would have given me my 2000gal then filter/pipe work on top

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartin View Post
    Hi Chris my actual internal (water volume) dimensions are 300cm x 200cm x 160cm = 2111 gallons plus filtration and pipework so probably around 2200 gallons approx, external dimensions are around 350cm x270cmx180cm, are you going part in ground and remainder above ground safety in mind for the children ?? cheers Steve.
    Yes mate and aiming for a window too Marine Reefing to Koi - My build thread I have a 2 and 4yr old, so above ground is essential for me


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