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    5000gal Kidney shaped pond with bog filter

    So, here starts my big build project!



    I have a pretty picture, now to try and convert that into an awesome pond...

    The most I have done so far with ponds is dug a hole and put a preformed liner in it, and dug a hole and put a flexi liner in then chucked a submersible pump attached to an external filter.

    This one is going to be different... this one is going to be THE pond!

    I have no idea what Iím doing 5000gal Kidney shaped pond with bog filter

    I will mostly be working alone, I have a local pond company who are happy to work with me as and when needed (as and when I can afford it) but at the moment I have no idea really what is feasible for one person to do and what really needs more hands. I have some very unskilled hands I can call on from friends but I would not trust any important things to them!

    I had been looking at different pond builds some that do a concrete collar then dig down from that and others that dig down and then do concrete footings and build up - what are the pros and cons of each type of build?

    Iím still not sure on block and fibreglass or liner or concrete - pros and cons of these would be great too.

    I will be spending a lot of time looking at the other builds on this forum for ideas.



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    Like the kidney shape makes it a bit informal.

    If possible I would recommend hiring a mini digger as you can get it dug out in a day and not knacker yourself.

    Liner is an easier option but I would go block and fiberglass much better finish.
    I did a concrete slab then dry stacked blocks with rebar,most do 4ins blocks on the side but shop around for blocks as the prices vary a lot.

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    Thanks for the reply, mini digger isnít possible unfortunately, access is only 30Ē itís going to be a lot of weekends spend getting dirty and a couple of big skips!

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    Not get a micro digger in mate still help a load . Most pull the tracks in to about 720mm

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    I had one in my 30ins gate,as Aj said most pull the tracks in.
    John

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    Awesome! Just checked and itís £75 / day or £250 / week - I think I can work that into my budget!


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    The one thing I found out after was that it’s really cheap to hire a conveyor which saves all that barrowing too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akai the Shiba View Post
    Awesome! Just checked and itís £75 / day or £250 / week - I think I can work that into my budget!


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    The time and effort it saves mate it's worth every penny easy to use once you get the hang of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    The time and effort it saves mate it's worth every penny easy to use once you get the hang of it

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    I started digging my pond on April 21st and finally got it done and the slab in around the end of August as I couldn't get a mini digger in due to the angle of my path and size of the alley. Get a digger if you can! I still have most the soil on the front garden tho need to get a grab lorry or 2 in to come take it

    I went concrete slab with blocks laid on their bellys then insulation and fibreglass and would say I've spent around £3.5K roughly for everything (not the fish just the actual build) and I got a mate to get a lot of the materials to save on VAT. It all depends on a budget but I think block and fibreglass is the best way to go

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    I did collar and brick and sand base if I was to rebuild I would go concrete slab and blocks and fiberglass

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    1000% get a digger mate, also expect LOTS of dirt, whatever you have in your mind thats going to come out of the ground triple it, so if you have to move the spoil somewhere to get it picked up by a grabber think about a hiring dumper too, it took me a long time to barrow mine from the back garden on to the drive and my elbow has never been the same since

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akai the Shiba View Post
    Awesome! Just checked and itís £75 / day or £250 / week - I think I can work that into my budget!


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    Attah boy. Save some sweat and blisters.
    We all know about the soil. To get rid off.
    The one thing I forgot to add in the budget was pallets bags plastic.
    That was an extra £900.00 for 3x grab trucks. To get rid of soil and all the building
    Trash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sephuk View Post
    1000% get a digger mate, also expect LOTS of dirt, whatever you have in your mind thats going to come out of the ground triple it, so if you have to move the spoil somewhere to get it picked up by a grabber think about a hiring dumper too, it took me a long time to barrow mine from the back garden on to the drive and my elbow has never been the same since
    With you on this mate.

    As for getting 2 skips.... Unless they're huge they won't be enough, even compacted down. I filled an 8 foot skip from a 1.7m x 2.4m x 1.2m deep hole (approx. 1000 gallons).

    I reckon a 20 tonne grab lorry is what you'll need.

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    Grab wagon is a hell of a lot cheaper as well or round here it is

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    Grab wagon is a hell of a lot cheaper as well or round here it is

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    agree AJ same here mate. even though I did nt calculate it into my budget. I still saved about 400 pounds. on the skip hire. grab trucks all the way for me

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    I hired a mini digger for about £70 a day but I didn't finished it in one day and to hire for a second day was only about £30 as I was on my own and barrowing it to the front at the same time.
    I dont know if a dump truck goes through 30ins gate though.

    What I did in the end was to concentrate on getting the hole dug and pilled the soil up next to the pond and moved to the front in my own time.
    So to shovel the soil into a barrow isnt as bad as actually digging.

    Plan it all first Akai.
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    What's around you is there no fence panels you can take out to gain access is the access tight due to a gate can it be removed to widen by a few inch

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    What's around you is there no fence panels you can take out to gain access is the access tight due to a gate can it be removed to widen by a few inch

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    The garden is surrounded on all sides by other gardens, Iíll have a look at the possibility of widening by taking a gate off, I hadnít thought of that but Iím not sure it would help I think the gate opens all the way back on itself anyway


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    Quote Originally Posted by Akai the Shiba View Post
    The garden is surrounded on all sides by other gardens, Iíll have a look at the possibility of widening by taking a gate off, I hadnít thought of that but Iím not sure it would help I think the gate opens all the way back on itself anyway


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    It's not the best but if you have very good neighbor's with better access I've used waffle boards/track boards before

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    It's not the best but if you have very good neighbor's with better access I've used waffle boards/track boards before

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    Ha ha, we don't talk to our neighbours down south so if he's a southerner he's got no chance!

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