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    https://www.pondlinersonline.co.uk/p...er-pond-liner/ and if your going sleepers id suggest getting a box welded one,no corners to worry about muck building up in,especially as your going pump fed,this is the one i have in mine,so much easier to fit then the heavier flat butyl ones ive had before,,,,andi

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    Sorry I misread the stuff I use is the non stretching type, It works fine I've put bottom drains and returns in all the builds with no leaks, sorry again for confusion

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    Cheers mate, Iím looking into some of these liners and they creeping towards the 300 mark without any underlay. Got to be honest if itís put in gently and has the underlay I canít see what point is spending 4/5 times the money on a different type. If it was a forever pond maybe but il be gone from this place in less then 5 years I reckon. I have tried to view these guys you mention on eBay but canít find them ? Ta mate


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    Quote Originally Posted by andikoi View Post
    https://www.pondlinersonline.co.uk/p...er-pond-liner/ and if your going sleepers id suggest getting a box welded one,no corners to worry about muck building up in,especially as your going pump fed,this is the one i have in mine,so much easier to fit then the heavier flat butyl ones ive had before,,,,andi
    When you say box wend do you mean itís been welded to fit straight into the pond? These liners seem to be creeping up and up cost wise Decent pond liners / underlay


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    When you say box wend do you mean itís been welded to fit straight into the pond? These liners seem to be creeping up and up cost wise Decent pond liners / underlay


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    If you google it there's a technique to folding the liner so you get no gaps in the corners, I really don't see the point in spending hundreds on a liner but that's just me , I fold the liner so all the edges go in the same direction , then I add returns so the flow goes with the folds which pushes dirt over the folds, I've used butile liner on one of my own ponds as I bought a complete set up and thought I would try it and found it hard to shape properly and wouldn't use it again to be honest unless you get a pre built liner to your specific sizes your going to have creases, when installing my liners I quarter fill it and with help I stretch and get as many folds out the best way I find is to get in as you can smooth with feet while holding up with hands if you get me, the saving on liner will pay for a pump or uv, when you move you would have to build exactly the same size structure to utilise the liner again which could cause issues with selling liner if your going fibreglass on the next build, I garuntee you will build bigger on your next pond lol just my thoughts if you take the time you can get the cheaper liner nearly as neat as the more expensive ones

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    Quote Originally Posted by charco123 View Post
    When you say box wend do you mean itís been welded to fit straight into the pond? These liners seem to be creeping up and up cost wise Decent pond liners / underlay


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    Prices do jump up but I will say one thing from my experience I wanted cheap am skint every month we count the Penny's and as such I rushed in to a bigger pond to get it done cheap as cheap cheap liner cheap filter no hindsight at all and every time I look at my pond I could easily rip it down and start again . I wish I had waited a year longer and saved up and planned better . Folds all over liner looks untidy to many nasties live in it massive regret would have glassed (I could have bought the glass gear for the same price as liner and underlay ) bottom drain mid returns drum window pagoda shape ( as I've made my life hard for winter covers ) depth . Are all the things I would change . Sit back look at funds and really think about waiting a extra few months to have a pond you will be happy with cost a lot more in a years Time when you look at what you could have done and want to redo . Dont think there is any one on here that has there first pond a load of us have all made mistakes and wanted it better

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    Prices do jump up but I will say one thing from my experience I wanted cheap am skint every month we count the Penny's and as such I rushed in to a bigger pond to get it done cheap as cheap cheap liner cheap filter no hindsight at all and every time I look at my pond I could easily rip it down and start again . I wish I had waited a year longer and saved up and planned better . Folds all over liner looks untidy to many nasties live in it massive regret would have glassed (I could have bought the glass gear for the same price as liner and underlay ) bottom drain mid returns drum window pagoda shape ( as I've made my life hard for winter covers ) depth . Are all the things I would change . Sit back look at funds and really think about waiting a extra few months to have a pond you will be happy with cost a lot more in a years Time when you look at what you could have done and want to redo . Dont think there is any one on here that has there first pond a load of us have all made mistakes and wanted it better

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    Totally agree

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    Totally agree

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    Where's the seive. ???

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    It was safe outside so no fire damage to that but itll have to wait till house is sorted

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    It was safe outside so no fire damage to that but itll have to wait till house is sorted

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    ??? Have I missed something bud??? What happens to your house??

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    Spoke to pond keeper and I got some samples being sent tomorrow of liners and underlay Decent pond liners / underlay


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuffyrat View Post
    ??? Have I missed something bud??? What happens to your house??

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    PM ed you mate long story and dont wanna take any more threads up Haha

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    It does explain about it on the pondkeeper site
    Cheers mate i read this morning and called them to get some samples sent out! Cheers again


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    Prices do jump up but I will say one thing from my experience I wanted cheap am skint every month we count the Penny's and as such I rushed in to a bigger pond to get it done cheap as cheap cheap liner cheap filter no hindsight at all and every time I look at my pond I could easily rip it down and start again . I wish I had waited a year longer and saved up and planned better . Folds all over liner looks untidy to many nasties live in it massive regret would have glassed (I could have bought the glass gear for the same price as liner and underlay ) bottom drain mid returns drum window pagoda shape ( as I've made my life hard for winter covers ) depth . Are all the things I would change . Sit back look at funds and really think about waiting a extra few months to have a pond you will be happy with cost a lot more in a years Time when you look at what you could have done and want to redo . Dont think there is any one on here that has there first pond a load of us have all made mistakes and wanted it better

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    Yeah i see what ya mean mate. Il get the samples through tomorrow. Have a look a tug and a pull Decent pond liners / underlay see how robust they are and make up my mind. But Im not just going to go for the most expensive one as itís the ďbestĒ if ya get me drift! Moneys not too much of a issue but I donít want to spend alot on something when a lot cheaper alternative I may be happy with would equally do the job. Il see how I feel after looking at the samples. My dream pond would be fibreglassed anyway but I ainít spending that dough just for 4 years, that will be the next pond in the future house. Plus itís nice to give the liners a go see how this all works out!


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    Yeah I should imagine the ponds will get slightly bigger through the future as hopefully the houses do to Decent pond liners / underlay this hand feet technique mate I could prob do with seeing this first hand if you wana pop over when I lay the liner Decent pond liners / underlay il cook you a burger on the bbq while I observe how itís meant to be done haha. Only messing but thanks for the advice il have a look on google today as I think I see a video of that pondguru on YouTube with liners might check that out Decent pond liners / underlay


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    Having just purchased a boxwelded liner, I thought I would add this just for info purposes.
    I had quotes from all the company's that can be found on line, like the flexible lining company, pondliners online, and many others who will make up a boxwelded liner.
    I then sent my drawings to Darren at absolute koi explaining my needs, who promptly replied with the most competitive quote of all that I had received.
    I had always thought the specialist company's would be cheaper and had previously ruled out koi outlets.
    The reason for my post is to say, explore all avenues in your research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charco123 View Post
    Yeah I should imagine the ponds will get slightly bigger through the future as hopefully the houses do to Decent pond liners / underlay this hand feet technique mate I could prob do with seeing this first hand if you wana pop over when I lay the liner Decent pond liners / underlay il cook you a burger on the bbq while I observe how itís meant to be done haha. Only messing but thanks for the advice il have a look on google today as I think I see a video of that pondguru on YouTube with liners might check that out Decent pond liners / underlay


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    Lol it's nothing fancy it's just shorts and bare feet I'm afraid I put a 2 inch bed of builders sand down and slope to where the pump / bottom drain is going to be then lay the liner in add water, smooth creases then add more water and smooth the water holds everything in place then when you have reached the fill level just secure the top, where about are you based? That's two that show the liner I've done you should remember also the weight of water will flatten a lot out of a liner

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuffyrat View Post
    Lol it's nothing fancy it's just shorts and bare feet I'm afraid I put a 2 inch bed of builders sand down and slope to where the pump / bottom drain is going to be then lay the liner in add water, smooth creases then add more water and smooth the water holds everything in place then when you have reached the fill level just secure the top, where about are you based? That's two that show the liner I've done you should remember also the weight of water will flatten a lot out of a liner

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    Looks good to me mate what is that pvc,epdm or that lpde stuff can you remember ta


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    Looks good to me mate what is that pvc,epdm or that lpde stuff can you remember ta


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    Ldpe according to the receipt bud it also takes the gold seal sealant do bulkheads for returns and I's very forgiving I had a brick fall in from the top of the pond in second photo and it barely scuffed it, even the it landed on the corner of the brick, it's not the prettiest compared to fibreglass but my ponds going to be 800 quid in materials to fibreglass the liner was less than 80 quid with underlay so it will do till I get funds to glass it, and the guts to have a go lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    Prices do jump up but I will say one thing from my experience I wanted cheap am skint every month we count the Penny's and as such I rushed in to a bigger pond to get it done cheap as cheap cheap liner cheap filter no hindsight at all and every time I look at my pond I could easily rip it down and start again . I wish I had waited a year longer and saved up and planned better . Folds all over liner looks untidy to many nasties live in it massive regret would have glassed (I could have bought the glass gear for the same price as liner and underlay ) bottom drain mid returns drum window pagoda shape ( as I've made my life hard for winter covers ) depth . Are all the things I would change . Sit back look at funds and really think about waiting a extra few months to have a pond you will be happy with cost a lot more in a years Time when you look at what you could have done and want to redo . Dont think there is any one on here that has there first pond a load of us have all made mistakes and wanted it better

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    100% agree on that mate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuffyrat View Post
    Ldpe according to the receipt bud it also takes the gold seal sealant do bulkheads for returns and I's very forgiving I had a brick fall in from the top of the pond in second photo and it barely scuffed it, even the it landed on the corner of the brick, it's not the prettiest compared to fibreglass but my ponds going to be 800 quid in materials to fibreglass the liner was less than 80 quid with underlay so it will do till I get funds to glass it, and the guts to have a go lol

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    You can do it stevo. A good DIYer like you.
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