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    Quote Originally Posted by freddyboy View Post
    Here is how you cut costs mate. Front 4 sided window. Atlantica. Expensive.

    Cheap way. End of pond. Infinity window.
    Rebated with frame. £130.00
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    Hi,

    Thanks for the reply. I haven't even seen any glass for £130, let alone a frame. Was this a custom built frame? The window looks like its at the front of the pond. Nice work New Member | Advice Required | Brendan's Koi Build, Started July 2019

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    Quote Originally Posted by neo3998 View Post
    Hi,

    Thanks for the reply. I haven't even seen any glass for £130, let alone a frame. Was this a custom built frame? The window looks like its at the front of the pond. Nice work New Member | Advice Required | Brendan's Koi Build, Started July 2019

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    Hi my pond builder knocked the frame up. And got the glass. It's not the one at the front. It's the one at the back. BLow the photo up. I will go one better photo

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddyboy View Post
    Hi my pond builder knocked the frame up. And got the glass. It's not the one at the front. It's the one at the back. BLow the photo up. I will go one better photo

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    Fred what's that fish in last pic white and black ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    Fred what's that fish in last pic white and black ??

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    Doitsu shiro Bekko. I believe. Used to have more black then that. Lost a bit of black
    And gained more white.
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    Got it at 4 inch. Grown well.

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    Aye that's what am after want one of them and still havnt found a nice shusui to go with it . Nice just hold off now till spring like

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    Quote Originally Posted by neo3998 View Post
    Wow that's heavy. Do mind me asking the dimensions and how much it cost? Please don't feel obliged to tell me. Just very curious as if it's mega expensive I'll just have to knock it off the want list. Although I really, really want one now lol.

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    Hi mate.

    I don’t mind sharing costs as we all do this on here to help each other!

    The window I’ve got is approx. 6ft across and about 3ft deep. So it’s quite big. Custom frame, glass and fitting was £2k.

    I fitted the custom frame when it arrived from Mr Koi as I’m happy to DIY stuff but I wasn’t confident to do the actual window fit and sealing as it was so big. I helped him to lift and adjust it, absolute killer of a job! New Member | Advice Required | Brendan's Koi Build, Started July 2019

    However, like Freddy has said, you can cut cost dramatically by going smaller because then the glass is thinner and I’ve seen windows similar to his going for around £300 as a DIY kit.

    Having now seen the fitting take place I’d happily fit a smaller window if I ever put another one in. Not rocket science, there’s just a tried and tested method!

    Tuffx the company do pond glass and they do good prices. Worth looking them up for sure.

    Hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray View Post
    Hi mate.

    I don’t mind sharing costs as we all do this on here to help each other!

    The window I’ve got is approx. 6ft across and about 3ft deep. So it’s quite big. Custom frame, glass and fitting was £2k.

    I fitted the custom frame when it arrived from Mr Koi as I’m happy to DIY stuff but I wasn’t confident to do the actual window fit and sealing as it was so big. I helped him to lift and adjust it, absolute killer of a job! New Member | Advice Required | Brendan's Koi Build, Started July 2019

    However, like Freddy has said, you can cut cost dramatically by going smaller because then the glass is thinner and I’ve seen windows similar to his going for around £300 as a DIY kit.

    Having now seen the fitting take place I’d happily fit a smaller window if I ever put another one in. Not rocket science, there’s just a tried and tested method!

    Tuffx the company do pond glass and they do good prices. Worth looking them up for sure.

    Hope this helps.
    Many thanks for the help and sharing. I've just asked Tuffx for a price on a 1300mm x 650mm and also a 1100mm x 650mm. I've told them what its for so I'm hoping they quote for the right thickness.

    I love the idea of going bigger but 2k is well out of reach for me Haha. We had rogue builders do an extension for us and have really suffered since. 2 years on and it's still nowhere near finished but couldn't bare throwing funds at the garden without fixing the pond up first. Everything else will be put in to compliment the fish New Member | Advice Required | Brendan's Koi Build, Started July 2019

    Hopefully Tuffx are kind to me else the window might be off the menu. Is it something that could be retro fitted at a later date? Or would that be horrendous?

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddyboy View Post
    Doitsu shiro Bekko. I believe. Used to have more black then that. Lost a bit of black
    And gained more white.
    2 years old Israeli koi. From love aquatic
    Got it at 4 inch. Grown well.

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    Lovely looking koi. I just can't wait to be able to see ours more clearly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcarpchaser View Post
    They sell all sorts mate as long as it’s plastic(ish)
    Good for pipe, valves, flexible couplers etc as well as the skimmer/bottom drain.
    They make a lot of the stuff that shops brand as their own.


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    Hi,

    So, I have been on the phone to JBR Plastics and they are definitely cheaper. Quick update on pricing for anyone else who is looking:

    Aerated bottom drain £100
    4" pond skimmer £140
    3m 4" pressure pipe £29

    Very knowledgable guy though. Had a long conversation and he was mega helpful. I'm waiting on a full quote from him then I'll post up the prices.

    Paypal is their recommended payment method which is good for me as it means this bit can go on the credit card until pay day, freeing up the cash funds for other things.

    He said he'll be able to send on Monday so I'll get digging today and tomorrow.

    Thanks
    Brendan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    Aye that's what am after want one of them and still havnt found a nice shusui to go with it . Nice just hold off now till spring like

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    When are you going to the deep in Hull. AJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by neo3998 View Post
    Many thanks for the help and sharing. I've just asked Tuffx for a price on a 1300mm x 650mm and also a 1100mm x 650mm. I've told them what its for so I'm hoping they quote for the right thickness.

    I love the idea of going bigger but 2k is well out of reach for me Haha. We had rogue builders do an extension for us and have really suffered since. 2 years on and it's still nowhere near finished but couldn't bare throwing funds at the garden without fixing the pond up first. Everything else will be put in to compliment the fish New Member | Advice Required | Brendan's Koi Build, Started July 2019

    Hopefully Tuffx are kind to me else the window might be off the menu. Is it something that could be retro fitted at a later date? Or would that be horrendous?

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    Here is a 4 sided window. Same as mine.
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/11168319584...c4dedaffff95ac

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    Quote Originally Posted by neo3998 View Post
    Many thanks for the help and sharing. I've just asked Tuffx for a price on a 1300mm x 650mm and also a 1100mm x 650mm. I've told them what its for so I'm hoping they quote for the right thickness.

    I love the idea of going bigger but 2k is well out of reach for me Haha. We had rogue builders do an extension for us and have really suffered since. 2 years on and it's still nowhere near finished but couldn't bare throwing funds at the garden without fixing the pond up first. Everything else will be put in to compliment the fish New Member | Advice Required | Brendan's Koi Build, Started July 2019

    Hopefully Tuffx are kind to me else the window might be off the menu. Is it something that could be retro fitted at a later date? Or would that be horrendous?

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    Brendan

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    Here a my 4 sided window. If you read it all on the link on Ebay you will find suppliers is
    Atlantica.
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/11168319584...c4dedaffff95ac

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddyboy View Post
    When are you going to the deep in Hull. AJ

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    Depends who wins the argument. I say hull and donny . But the wife says blackers and ambleside. But gotta be before we go to spain back end of sep so soon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    Depends who wins the argument. I say hull and donny . But the wife says blackers and ambleside. But gotta be before we go to spain back end of sep so soon
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    I am at a wedding August 31st.thats why I asked mate.
    Why I was asking I have a sushi in my grow on tank. And if it came up to your standards. Its is yours if you wanted it.
    And seeing you might be here in Hull. You could of collected it.
    Its growing fast. And to my s___e eye. It looks like a nice fish.

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    Very kind of you sir more back up for my argument hahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by neo3998 View Post
    Hi,

    So, I have been on the phone to JBR Plastics and they are definitely cheaper. Quick update on pricing for anyone else who is looking:

    Aerated bottom drain £100
    4" pond skimmer £140
    3m 4" pressure pipe £29

    Very knowledgable guy though. Had a long conversation and he was mega helpful. I'm waiting on a full quote from him then I'll post up the prices.

    Paypal is their recommended payment method which is good for me as it means this bit can go on the credit card until pay day, freeing up the cash funds for other things.

    He said he'll be able to send on Monday so I'll get digging today and tomorrow.

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    Brendan

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    Full quote as attached.... £462, good value?

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddyboy View Post
    Here is a 4 sided window. Same as mine.
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/11168319584...c4dedaffff95ac

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    Got a price from Tuffx for 1400x600 and it is £175 plus VAT.

    I've just asked for pricing on 1400x900 as I would prefer an infinity window rather than recessed as infinity looks cheaper to mount and the higher up the pond it is the water pressure is less right?

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    This is a rough diagram of the layout I'm going for..... please see attached.

    So far I've decided on the following...

    --Not to put concrete down as a base at the bottom as I just don't have the funds for it without sacrificing other things. I decided this as I've seen others using railway sleepers without a concrete base or even footings and they seem to hold up.

    (Please talk me out of this idea if I'm just plain wrong though).

    --aerated bottom drain and associated piping being purchased from JBR today so will start digging for this to go in.

    --4 inch skimmer to catch surface muck.

    --infinity window to be installed, glass will be around £300 by the looks of things and I'll need the brackets to sit it into, sealant and anything else required.

    -- small shed on the back end to later house a decent filtration system. As things stand I'm putting in the bottom drain to future proof the build. I'll have to use my old submersible pumps and filter boxes until I can afford the better equipment.

    A few questions though if I may for all you experts...

    Skimmer. How do I plumb this in?

    Bottom drain. Can this temporarily run to a chamber/tank that I can put the submersible pumps in and then pass through my old filtration? (Temporarily until I can afford better).

    Window. Can I use anything cheaper in the building trade that would work as holding brackets for the infinity window?

    Any other advice or things you have noticed might not work. If you could let me know that would be great. Obviously running before I can walk here but it's all new to me and I'm trying to learn on the fly.

    Thanks all and sorry for being a pain.

    Brendan

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    It's a good idea to get the skimmer with a built in overflow. JBR offer that. It's like a little standpipe that screws in the bottom so you can adjust the level. You can come off it with 38mm flexi pipe (I'd have to check that size).
    The better flex pipe is from somewhere like Absolute, it's not expensive either. Good stuff and you can solvent weld it also.
    Plumbing in your skimmer is the same as a bottom drain, but upside down if you like. Out of the bottom with a 4" boot to 4" pipe then route as required. Dead simple. Use swept bends not 90 elbows for better whhoooooooosh

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    You’re not being a pain mate, everyone loves answering questions and helping!

    Trust me, I was asking waaaay more questions on here when I was building mine a couple of years ago and the admin never booted me off and the guys on here still talk to me! New Member | Advice Required | Brendan's Koi Build, Started July 2019

    The price from JBR looks good as we’d all expect.

    One note on the 4” skimmer (BCC correct me if I’m wrong) is that with 4” you tend to plumb this into you filter system as BCC said much like a BD.

    However, you could opt to have a 2” pipe coming out and then have a small pump (7,000 I use) to pull the water into the skimmer, basket catches the crap and then from the pump you can push the water back to the pond over a waterfall, blade or similar.

    Mine comes out of a hole in the wall just above the water level and is timed to run from 8pm-9pm when the main system switches off for an hour.

    Works a treat and means I don’t have it on all day.

    You might want yours on all day so the 4” to filter would make sense but if you wanted a timed system for an hour or so a day then I’d go 2” outlet from skimmer with 7,000 pump to recirculate.

    Just an additional idea to consider!

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