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    I bought 1 year olds and I'm trying to name them

    Hello,
    I had a disaster this winter, so needed new additions to the family. I visited The Koi Place in Burnley and Matt was extremely knowledgeable, but I can't remember the names of these little beauties we brought home. I'll chuck my two penneth-worth in and I accept that opinions at this early stage may vary, but I look forward to the educated input from the team.

    #1 - This is the one I like the most. Metallic on the head and non-metallic for the rest of the body. Not Ogon, not Kawarimono, could be lemon Hariwake?
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    #2 - Goshiki?
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    #3 - Ki Utsuri or Ginrin Ki Utsuri? I remember Matt saying Gin is pronounced Gin not Jin, as in Gin and tonic, but I'm not sure he was talking about this fish.
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    #4 - Koromo?
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    #5 - Already Named Tiger, but Hi Utsuri?
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    #6 - Showa, but maybe Sanke. I'm saying Showa because of 3 colours on the head.
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    Thanks for any help



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    No4 goshiki
    No5 I'd say ki utsuri
    No6 showa
    1 2 and 3 I will leave for someone else I haven't a clue hope that helps

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    Thanks for the reply. I’d say you’re correct now I’ve looked into it further.

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    1: Sakura Ogon
    2: Beni Kikokuryu
    3: Looks like a ghost carp/ghost koi to me
    4: Goshkiki
    5: Ki Utsuri
    6: Gin Rin Showa

    Thats my guess.

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    Thank you. Some more for me to look into, I hadn't looked at Beni Keko before now.

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    I’d go with that pal from the pics

    Cheers

    Gaz

    Quote Originally Posted by samp09 View Post
    1: Sakura Ogon
    2: Beni Kikokuryu
    3: Looks like a ghost carp/ghost koi to me
    4: Goshkiki
    5: Ki Utsuri
    6: Gin Rin Showa

    Thats my guess.
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    Good choices....beni kikokuryu looks very nice....
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    I have one the same as no 2 and was told it was a Kujaku

    I didnt think it was but the guy who I got it from had a certificate saying it was a Kujaku and from Quality Nishikigoi.
    John

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    If you're that interested, let's try to figure it out as faithfully as possible, shall we?

    #1 SAKURAOGON (桜黄金)is something that I have seen in the books published by Mr. Kuroki, the boss of ZNA in the 60's and 70's, but I have rarely heard of an example of active breeding of it recently. If we Japanese were to see this KOI in front of us, most of us would call it ORANGE HARIWAKE, and if we call it SAKURA OGON, we would apply it when it is redder because SAKURA means cherry blossom. So it is difficult to guess if the KOI actually came from Japan, but it is most likely a byproduct of breeding KUJAKU.

    #2 is the result of breeding DOITSU KUJAKU and can be called DOITSU KUJAKU itself. It has metallic properties and is not a GOSHIKI.

    #3 If it is Japanese bred, it may be a byproduct of the early culling of DOITSU OGON when attempts were made to breed it, rather than a recent example of active breeding of this type of variety in Indonesian bred.
    https://youtu.be/XWKEA31UoCs
    It may have been derived from this.
    Last edited by Naoki Atsumi; 04-06-2021 at 01:17 PM.

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    #4 is almost certainly a Japanese GOSHIKI, never a Koromo of AI GOROMO.

    #5 If a Japanese breeder intentionally tries to breed KI-UTSURI, the ground will be more lemony yellow, and if he tries to breed HI-UTSURI, the ground will be more orange. So unfortunately this KOI is most likely a by-product of a very early cull out that was unavoidably to appear when breeding SHOWA.

    #6 If this is a Japanese breed, it is probably the result of breeding GINRIN SANKE. We often hear the question about the difference between SANKE and SHOWA, but SANKE's SUMI is the condensation of the point SUMI, and SHOWA's SUMI is the black KOI that gradually turns to show a white background.

    When explaining the differences between them, it is easy to see the differences by comparing the stages of each fry.

    ●大正三色 (SANKE)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfAmcnRqO8Y
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PIkDH2ys2A
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xWh7JFnNcg


    ●昭和三色 (SHOWA)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJYr704Xk1E
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pAbF899kMM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7ZVnLSQ5nM
    Last edited by Naoki Atsumi; 13-06-2021 at 04:13 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki Atsumi View Post
    If you're that interested, let's try to figure it out as faithfully as possible, shall we?

    #1 SAKURAOGON (桜黄金)is something that I have seen in the books published by Mr. Kuroki, the boss of ZNA in the 60's and 70's, but I have rarely heard of an example of active breeding of it recently. If we Japanese were to see this KOI in front of us, most of us would call it ORANGE HARIWAKE, and if we call it SAKURA OGON, we would apply it when it is redder because SAKURA means cherry blossom. So it is difficult to guess if the KOI actually came from Japan, but it is most likely a byproduct of breeding KUJAKU.



    #2 is the result of breeding DOITSU KUJAKU and can be called DOITSU KUJAKU itself. It has metallic properties and is not a GOSHIKI.

    #3 If it is Japanese bred, it may be a byproduct of the early culling of DOITSU OGON when attempts were made to breed it, rather than a recent example of active breeding of this type of variety in Indonesian bred.
    https://youtu.be/XWKEA31UoCs
    It may have been derived from this.
    Thank you, very interesting to hear your views and see differences again from previous replies.
    The seller (Matt) told me and advertised the fish as being from Oofuchi and Maruhiro in Japan, so I can assume this is correct.
    It's interesting to read and then research the various names and the reasons why they are named that way. I've been watching a few videos on youtube following breeders and sellers in Japan, it's fascinating.
    I've created a personal reference grid with the photo, names and reasons and it will be a constant reminder of where they started and an aid to how they develop.
    #6 - the videos do show even the early differences between Sanke & Showa and I think video 3 was extremely informative.

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