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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by markini5 View Post
    i was , but now jacking it in,
    as said before 12 month guarantee and offered after sale support, all parts are universally made nothing is specially made,
    mine were still lowest prices around by miles , but no buyers so time to move on. im happy with my drum and bio thats all that matters
    least i tried
    ps also said before was wanting to start this as a business, mine works amazingly for last 5 months or so since built since perfected my design over my original stainless build that i past said would design a new one and learn from the minor mistakes of the first design ,
    ive tried to make the hobby cheaper/more accessible for my fellow koi enthusiast's with drum filters starting at £600 combis starting at £800 and bio's starting at £150 with same/similar aftersales/warranties people dont want to give me a chance thats fine will try and do something else

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    Quote Originally Posted by g mac View Post
    Sorry to hear that you're giving up on it. With the amount of ponds being built and new members joining up on here, I would have thought you would gradually build a good customer base.
    no ones wanting anything , not going to keep making myself look desperate for work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markini5 View Post
    ps also said before was wanting to start this as a business, mine works amazingly for last 5 months or so since built since perfected my design over my original stainless build that i past said would design a new one and learn from the minor mistakes of the first design ,
    ive tried to make the hobby cheaper/more accessible for my fellow koi enthusiast's with drum filters starting at £600 combis starting at £800 and bio's starting at £150 with same/similar aftersales/warranties people dont want to give me a chance thats fine will try and do something else
    Sometimes you have to wait a bit longer than you originally thought Mark. I think you should try to keep going a bit longer if it's not your main source of income. Try to get the word out a bit more if you can?

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    You're definitely on the right track with what you are trying to do so don't give up on it yet. It's a strange time right now but hopefully things will get better soon.

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    [QUOTE=Mikeh83;358469]If you have the skill to make stainless items I would have been promoting that over wooden showers, drums, bio. Personally I tend to buy items based on quality and reputation not the cheapest and I would never buy a wooden filter product.

    I also think about resale value..

    if wood is suitable for many centuries and still to this day for ocean going vessels and water proofed then im sure wood is also suitable for filters, if you viewed mine you would see im not wrong and thats your personal choice , doesnt mean wood isnt a viable alternative.
    just because mine are the cheapest doesnt mean mine aint quality piece of work i priced them deliberately despite minimal profits works out far less than min wage to make these

    my first one was stainless welded , i can make them piece of piss, although price would jump up and these would not be welded , they would be glued and bolted together like a european brand that makes them from stainless steel for commercial use

    resale value would increase as my products became known .

    not going to happen now.
    wasting my time and energy when i could be doing other things to create a job/employment for myself

  10. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Frimley Koi keeper View Post
    You're definitely on the right track with what you are trying to do so don't give up on it yet. It's a strange time right now but hopefully things will get better soon.
    thanks but i think im flogging a dead horse lol
    i wont go into my situation , but i had high hope for this to work and turn it into a business
    but its about done.
    if someone by some miracle came along and said can i pay you to make me a drum please , what your payment details and was going to 100% buy one then i might change my mind.
    as it stands im exhausted , skint and feel like a failure for my family/kids

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    Why not go plastic instead of wood as you wouldn't have to seal it like you have to with wood? Obviously you have to seal the joins but would it be easier going that way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by markini5 View Post
    thanks but i think im flogging a dead horse lol
    i wont go into my situation , but i had high hope for this to work and turn it into a business
    but its about done.
    if someone by some miracle came along and said can i pay you to make me a drum please , what your payment details and was going to 100% buy one then i might change my mind.
    as it stands im exhausted , skint and feel like a failure for my family/kids
    If you've built a drum etc from scratch then you are definitely not a failure Mark. It's just a hiccup in your idea. OK so you aren't making money, yet!! Why not just get a job that keeps you going and carry on with this as a spare time venture, get the word about and see what happens?

  13. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Frimley Koi keeper View Post
    Why not go plastic instead of wood as you wouldn't have to seal it like you have to with wood? Obviously you have to seal the joins but would it be easier going that way?
    looked at plastic but the price of sheets is crazy i did seriously consider it . but i dont have the buying power to get them as sensible prices
    unless anyone knows where to get them cheap and what thickness i need for drums.bio's but i doubt it would be cost effective

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    [QUOTE=Frimley Koi keeper;358484]If you've built a drum etc from scratch then you are definitely not a failure Mark. It's just a hiccup in your idea. OK so you are making money, yet!! Why not just get a job that keeps you going and carry on with this as a spare time venture, get the word about and see what happens
    had a welding job from a friend that gave a few quid , nothing else.

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    It sounds like you just need that initial start if you know what I mean?

    The thickness should be easy to find out, just ask someone with a drum and bio chamber to measure the thickness of their sides?

    No-one has the initial buying power so maybe the first ones would have to be a break even price?

    If you could get a bit of money coming in to keep you going and then give it a go again?

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    Sorry it looks like we're replying out of sync with each other Mark

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    Have you thought about using ebay to sell your products?

    Anything is worth a try to get the ball rolling

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    I think you're a bloody genius Mark and if I had funds available I wouldn't hesitate. That doesn't help you much I know but I really don't think you should give up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frimley Koi keeper View Post
    Have you thought about using ebay to sell your products?

    Anything is worth a try to get the ball rolling
    ive considered ebay, id be making a loss if i did that, then the fraudsters making claims to get money back , been their before 10 years ago with an online business in retail , people were making false claims not received/ item does work ie swapping my working item for their non working item , or damaging the item then opening cases claiming it arrived damaged

    dont fancy going ebay .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letimgo View Post
    I think you're a bloody genius Mark and if I had funds available I wouldn't hesitate. That doesn't help you much I know but I really don't think you should give up.

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    people keep telling me that but seriously if that was the case i wouldnt have been unemployed for a good few years .

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    Mark being honest I can’t see many (if any) koi hobbyists who would buy a wooden filter painted with G4. The guarantee is also meaningless unless you are a proper bonafide business. Sorry to be so blunt but that’s just the way it is, it would never work and people aren’t going to pay you upfront for materials for you to then build it.
    Personally if I were you and had the skills I’d do it properly, get the investment and start the business properly. Nows the time, post covid vaccine certain business’s will be booming, yours could be one of them!
    Fibreglassed/5000 gals/4.5 m Tunnel/Spindrifter/Twin drums/Bio chambers/Beads/Showers/Remora ASHP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spongebob View Post
    Mark being honest I can’t see many (if any) koi hobbyists who would buy a wooden filter painted with G4. The guarantee is also meaningless unless you are a proper bonafide business. Sorry to be so blunt but that’s just the way it is, it would never work and people aren’t going to pay you upfront for materials for you to then build it.
    Personally if I were you and had the skills I’d do it properly, get the investment and start the business properly. Nows the time, post covid vaccine certain business’s will be booming, yours could be one of them!
    investment good one £10s or £1000 's no one is going to give when i have past debts.
    again nothing wrong with wood and nothing wrong with g4 i know because ive used it on everything

    before plastic filters people said the same thing.
    but thanks for sealing my fate by potentially putting any one off with a comment like that.

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    How hard would it be to swap the internals of your drums from a wooden container to a plastic one as a future retro fit option Mark?

    Just trying to think of possible ways forward that could be viable?

    For funding, what about a government grant or start up loan etc?

    I've seen people set up fund me sites or something like that? Is that an option?

    There's a lot of ideas and advice on this thread which if taken on board could be used to your advantage?

    It looks like the general feeling is you shouldn't give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frimley Koi keeper View Post
    How hard would it be to swap the internals of your drums from a wooden container to a plastic one as a future retro fit option Mark?

    Just trying to think of possible ways forward that could be viable?

    For funding, what about a government grant or start up loan etc?

    I've seen people set up fund me sites or something like that? Is that an option?

    There's a lot of ideas and advice on this thread which if taken on board could be used to your advantage?

    It looks like the general feeling is you shouldn't give up
    been there before with a government grant , and it failed i owe £1000's from my last attempt .

    can be retrofitted at a later date no problem. dimensions would be almost the same taking into account material thickness .

    crowd funding this i see as begging and i dont want charity .

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