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    Magpie attack

    I have an 8" Koi who has been attacked by a Magpie this evening. My vets are closed and I do have some Potassium Permanganate I can get hold of tomorrow. He seems a but stunned but is swimming ok and eating with the others. I'm hoping the piercing has missed his brain. The injury is above his left eye which looks alright at the moment. The pond water is in excellent condition and it very clear. As luck would have it I changed the filters yesterday and added Tetra Medifin to help any stress this may have caused.

    Am I doing enough? The injury itself is not huge but there are a couple of scales hanging off. Do I carefully tweezer these off? He is use to being handled and will allow me to lift him out by hand.

    Any advice please? Thanks. Peter



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    Quote Originally Posted by peterbrunnen View Post
    I have an 8" Koi who has been attacked by a Magpie this evening. My vets are closed and I do have some Potassium Permanganate I can get hold of tomorrow. He seems a but stunned but is swimming ok and eating with the others. I'm hoping the piercing has missed his brain. The injury is above his left eye which looks alright at the moment. The pond water is in excellent condition and it very clear. As luck would have it I changed the filters yesterday and added Tetra Medifin to help any stress this may have caused.

    Am I doing enough? The injury itself is not huge but there are a couple of scales hanging off. Do I carefully tweezer these off? He is use to being handled and will allow me to lift him out by hand.

    Any advice please? Thanks. Peter
    Hi Peter, you have a lot of your address on the location part which might not be intentional, just thinking its best to remove for security reasons.

    As for the fish, whats the PP for? I would be looking towards acriflavine and salt in a dip/bath to aid healing the wound, then using a topical kit I would clean the wound up the best I could and seal it with oraheasive powder and a sealer to keep keep bacteria etc out the wound and aide the healing process. Pictures will help people offer advice

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    Hi Peter, agree with Sam above would change your full address mate for security reasons.
    A picture would help if you can do one,get some anti bacteria and keep the wound clean I use a Lincoln purple spray for cleaning wounds on horses and I find it so easy as can be done in the net and it doesnt wash off even on your hands.
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    Hi Jussai. Thanks for advice on address.. I've shortened it

    PP (Potassium Permanganate) was recommended for dabbing on to kill off any roaming bacteria getting to the injury. Is this wrong? Advice from different people always seem contradictory. Still I've got what you recommend coming today. I've never had acriflavine recommended before so I'll do as you say. Thanks for the advice. Picture to follow as soon I can, only I just bust my phone as I laid down on the ground to get near Joseph (I've named all my Koi) and forgot the phone was in my pocket.......Crunch, Crack....ooops!
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    Hi John. Yes I've done the address, didn't think when I did that.

    I have the Potassium Permanganate to do the wound clean (see my reply to Jussai). Joseph is being very calm this morning, so I'll get him out later when sun is not so hot ( the nursery tank is in the garden) and then I can sedate him while I clean up the scales and seal things up.
    Thanks for the help and suggestions. As you know I am new to this site and gradually finding my way around. I'd really like to find others around where I live so we can 'swop notes', but I've no idea how that can be done on here. Can you possibly point me in the right direction please? Thanks again. Peter

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    Some people have put on thier profile where they are but a lot don't. Might just be as easy to start a new thread in the general asking who is around Surrey think there is a few members your way on

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    A photo of the injury would be the best suggestion before adding anything to the pond.

    If water quality is perfect, good quality filtration and the pond isn't over stocked then quite serious injuries can heal on their own.

    In this photo is a head injury one of mine suffered a few years back. Took about a Year to heal, then he did it again! 2nd time round it took about 6 months to heal and he's been fine. I didn't do anything at all to fix it, just monitored it. If it had started getting worse or showing any sign of infection then I'd have taken action, but PP would not have been top of the list.

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    Err is it only me whos thinking a rogue Magpie attacking koi is unusual . Peter did you witness this?
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    Thanks Ajm for that. Will try your suggestion.

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    Hi Spongebob, Yes my partner witnessed it and chased the bird off before making more damage. Yes we have a lot of birds in our garden and this is the first time we have seen such an attack. We constructed an overhead network of fishing line to stop all the big birds coming down, so the Magpie is the largest bird that can get through our defences. The camera did not pick up on it at it's set to night-time watch & alarm. Foxes here are a bigger problem at night but we've not lost a single Koi to a fox, yet! Our best defence against Foxes is our Great Dane.

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    Thank you RS2000. That news is very heartening. I've not done anything yet as he seems quite active and easting normally. What concerns me most is the loose scales hanging off that could attract bugs and parasites. I now intend to take him out one day when I've got plenty of peace around me, to just tidy him up, anti bac him and seal the wound. I've got as couple of others that need a closer look at as well, so I'll do them all on the same day as I have enough equipment to stop any possible cross infection. Thanks again for your help. I feel honoured to meet people on here who are so willing to help. Peter

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    A big thought. As I prepare myself for an closer look as a couple of my Koi whom I am going to sedate. Question. What is the maximum time I can have them out of the water (but on and covered by a wet towel) so they do not suffer from any ill effects?

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    1 (42).jpg1 (46).jpg Pictures showing injury above left hand eye. There are a couple of loose scales there but very blurry, difficult to see at that angle.

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    Can't help with treatment but have to say nice looking fish mate

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    I would Topically treat that myself, so take it out & sedate, use a wound cleaner and anti vac spray before sealing it up, be careful to keep it out the koi's eye. If you have a grow on/hospital tank I would probably use salt and acriflavine to help the healing process and keep it in there until it has healed fully. If not I would do the wound sealing and then return to pond and monitor closely, retreating the wound weekly maybe.

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    Thanks samp09. I'll do just that. I've got a spare tank which I can use as a 'hospital/nursery'. It'll keep him, Joseph, calm and indoors where I can keep a closer eye on him. Thankfully most of the worst damage is further away from the eye, but I'll be careful anyway, thanks for reminding me. I'm going to take some scrapings just in case he's picked up something in the last few days. I've been preparing the pond for him to return to before too long. Just my bi-monthly refresher done a few days early.

    best wishes Peter

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    Thanks Johnathan aka Ajm I'm hoping that I'll be able to take a group photo one day when they all cooperate . When that happens I'll post it to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peterbrunnen View Post
    Thanks Johnathan aka Ajm I'm hoping that I'll be able to take a group photo one day when they all cooperate . When that happens I'll post it to you.
    Definitely mate we all love a good picture

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