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    Quote Originally Posted by climbalot2004 View Post
    hi feline
    how would you acclimatise my two large poorly koi from outdoor 10c to indoors 20 plus.is this something you have had dealings with?
    I rang dr Paula Reynolds she advised me to try the baytril again indoors if my vet will prescribe it.
    she said then if it doesn't work indoors then get a culture test. she is forwarding me a swab kit should I need it in the future.
    I sent the vet a message early this morning just waiting to hear if she will or not.
    where would you describe the best area to inject?
    thanks
    You need to gradually increase the temp- obviously this is a bit tricky initially since your tank will come up to room temperature and it’s not easy to cool it- koi cope better with a temp jump upwards than they do downwards though. I would hold them at room temp for the first few days then increase by a degree each day until you get to target (which should be at least 22C, but 24C would be my choice in this situation).

    Also gradually increase the salt, using a meter to make sure you can keep it consistent even with water changes.

    You should restart the Baytril as soon as you can since the bacteria might try to get busy initially at higher temps.

    Fish injection site options are either into a muscle or intra peritoneal. I personally tend to do the latter, but it is technically more difficult to those not used to doing that, so the muscle route is safer for you. Have a read of Duncan’s description, the photos should help you
    Go on give it a shot

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    hi feline thanks
    will wait to see if I get the injections first before bringing them in. still waiting from reply from vet. maybe tomorrow now.
    I saw your link to injection sites. I have read that before. the very bottom/last pic is where I have been given them but Paula said no it has to be at the very rear of the dorsal fin in the centre ??? What's your thoughts? Have got my big white one to inject now so will wait for your reply.
    thanks

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    hi feline
    have read the injection article again. it sounds I am giving it in the correct place even though Paula said im not. she prefers the rear of pectoral fin but article says this isn't good for big needles which I am using so will stick with my site left or right of pectoral fin near to front about an inch down either side . 18inch koi.

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    my apologies to everyone including Paula I am injecting correctly but may have got my names of fish fins incorrect. that is why she thought I was injecting in wrong site. apologies
    (I have been injecting near Dorsal fin not Pectoral)

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    discovered another very ill fish 9 inch gin rin chargoi skin like sandpaper. and ulcerated. have started it 1mil antibiotics , the fish are dying that fast I have a course of injections spare. but because of temp dont think it will work and no more space inside, dont want to risk infecting any current indoor fish qt.

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    What a rotten time of it for you and the fish. Hope you can get sorted.

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    me too it seams never ending. but thankyou

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    discovered 19inch red koi today with white coating on side. was gonna get him out, scrape, check physically and depending on specifics of white coating was considering some type of dip/bath has interim measure

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    Oh dear, it’s terrible when it comes to having to make decisions about which fish to try to save

    Giving the antibiotics to the ones outside in unheated pond is really not going to do much unfortunately.
    Definitely scrape any showing increased mucus though- parasites will commonly try to take advantage of already weakened fish.

    Dips and baths are very rarely a helpful thing to do so don’t rush into that unless you had a specific finding. Salt baths are particularly harmful as subject the fish to an osmotic stress going in and going out that outweighs any benefit the salt could have had topically on the skin. The only kind of dip I would consider myself would be MG for fungus on a fish.

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    very helpful.thankyou

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    I have a 9 inch kohaku on his own. indoors, half way through inj. I might bring that chargoi inside in pond water. wait till the water temp equalises overnight and put him in with the kohaku. just thinking out loud. company for him has well.

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    hi feline
    the large red koi found today. no parasites.
    so will bath him in 1% mg not kusuri fmg mix ?
    you wouldnt happen to know the best dosage and bath time ?
    do you think it will be ok it is currently in salinity of 0.3 with kusuri acriflavin that has been in for 7 days but kusuri recommends adding every 3 days for up to 10 days. have just put it in the once though a week ago and did a big water change yesterday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by climbalot2004 View Post
    hi feline
    the large red koi found today. no parasites.
    so will bath him in 1% mg not kusuri fmg mix ?
    you wouldnt happen to know the best dosage and bath time ?
    do you think it will be ok it is currently in salinity of 0.3 with kusuri acriflavin that has been in for 7 days but kusuri recommends adding every 3 days for up to 10 days. have just put it in the once though a week ago and did a big water change yesterday.
    Yes, always very hard to interpret underwater pics of a fish, but he does look to have fluffy cotton wool looking fungus on him (no doubt secondary to bacterial damage, I can see he has some fin rot also there). A MG dip (WITHOUT formalin) would help with this, or even a topical painting on of neat MG if you were getting him out at all.

    After a week the acriflavine won’t be very active in there anymore. Consider another water change then redose- but do watch your pH, acriflavine is highly acidic and in a small volume can eat up all the buffers in the water quickly causing a pH crash. Always test KH level before adding it, and if below 6 needs increasing prior to dosing again.

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    I should probably add for general info- topical treatment of things like fungal infections has the advantage of allowing you to avoid the gills and eyes. This means you can have max effect on the surface pathogens without having a detrimental effect on the fish itself.

    Thats why I’m a fan of topical treatment and I hate dips as a rule.

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    hi feline
    thanks
    he does look very rough with a bit of fin rot also. I was gonna get him out. I was gonna ask about brushing mg on neat but scared of sounding stupid. but now you have mentioned it will get him out tomorrow and dab it on... if its still ok ? because following my big water change yesterday have put a second dose of kusuri acriflavin in tonight and also got the salt back up to .3. bit scared of getting it higher after losing a big one and all big fish looking very distressed after raising it to .4 last week.
    also was at vets t time. got more baytril injections for my 2 larger koi the ones I Intend to bring indoors tomorrow.
    I also asked for a course of injections for that 18 inch red one on latest photos but said for me to ring back tomorrow .
    I also unblocked one of my pumps today. Its hard to tell that the flow has dropped. got beautiful big trees in the garden. come autumn its a constant battle with leaves and pumps.
    I dont seam to have much trouble with ph. very hard water 24.

    after adding acriflavin tonight is it still ok to dab him with mg ?

    many thanks

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    just got your topical treatment message
    thankyou

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    Quote Originally Posted by climbalot2004 View Post
    hi feline
    thanks
    he does look very rough with a bit of fin rot also. I was gonna get him out. I was gonna ask about brushing mg on neat but scared of sounding stupid. but now you have mentioned it will get him out tomorrow and dab it on... if its still ok ? because following my big water change yesterday have put a second dose of kusuri acriflavin in tonight and also got the salt back up to .3. bit scared of getting it higher after losing a big one and all big fish looking very distressed after raising it to .4 last week.
    also was at vets t time. got more baytril injections for my 2 larger koi the ones I Intend to bring indoors tomorrow.
    I also asked for a course of injections for that 18 inch red one on latest photos but said for me to ring back tomorrow .
    I also unblocked one of my pumps today. Its hard to tell that the flow has dropped. got beautiful big trees in the garden. come autumn its a constant battle with leaves and pumps.
    I dont seam to have much trouble with ph. very hard water 24.

    after adding acriflavin tonight is it still ok to dab him with mg ?

    many thanks
    Yes, topical treatment is still ok even when there are treatments in the water. You need to have him out and blot him down first tho, often necessitates a bit of sedative.

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    hi yes thankyou I have a tub of sedation made up ready will blot him down and do him tomorrow.
    hopefully will get some antibiotics for him

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    the first pic is small fish which had the big blister. this is pic of him today showing his injury under the blister. he is halfway through course of antibiotics. but a week ago he had no symptoms at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by climbalot2004 View Post
    the first pic is small fish which had the big blister. this is pic of him today showing his injury under the blister. he is halfway through course of antibiotics. but a week ago he had no symptoms at all.
    Are you taking the opportunity of having the fish out to inject to apply some topical antibacterial and sealer to the ulcers etc? It’s definitely worth doing. I personally like Propolis for stuff like that.

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