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    Help not looking well

    Hi guys any suggestions has worsened over the last 24 hours as scales raised etc :-( no experience with this bit fro reading I think he needs to come out and give him a salt bath or some meds? Is anyone local who could show me what to do or any tips. I think I need to do something sooner rather tha. Later :-(





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    Sorry read the please read too late!

    Oase 10000 pump and oasefiltoclear 15000 with uv. Cloverleaf air pump and waterfall for aeration.

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    We have two koi around a foot long and the other 12 are about 6 -7 in we then have about 10 other gold fish and shabunkins oh and and a 2ft long sturgeon

    Pond is around 3 x 2 with sloping sides to a max depthe of 50 - 60 cm which is about a foot wide across the middle before slope starts back up







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    There is a very strong relationship between water quality, food quality, feeding at low water temperatures and dropsy in my opinion.

    So they are the areas I'd start looking regarding a root cause, even though you may determine your water quality to be "fine" at this moment in time.

    In the picture your fish appears to have redness around the areas of the raised scales and the fins, so some kind of bacterial infection is a fair probability and most likely water quality related.

    Dropsy is usually fatal, but the appearance of "dropsy" isn't always dropsy. Are the eyes bulging out?

    Have a read of post 5 in this thread which explains how I deal with dropsy, but I have to say I've never dealt with dropsy where the fish has so much redness coming through.

    https://www.koiforum.uk/koi-health-d...-koi-help.html

    Please keep us updated, including photos, of how you get on with this. If this fish survives I think it would be good to document it.

    Someone on here recently followed my instructions to the letter for a dropsied goldfish and I believe the fish survived.

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    Thank you for the advice currently at koi shop so will check eyes when I get back advised to up salt level in pond and try some acriflvain and will update with any changes. Man at koi shop suggested may be to far on :-(


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    Best pic I can get donít think eyes are bulging. Have added acriflavin to pond and a bit more salt so guess itís now a waiting game, thanks again for the help peeps :-)




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    i agree with RS it needs a scrape and microscoped. (maybe you don t have a microscope.) because in my opinion your treating blind,
    me personally if you don t have a QT tank. I would get some type of plastic container. or a small tank. and get a heater in there and start bringing heat up. slowly like 1 to 2 degrees a day until you get to 22c\24c so its immune system can kick in.
    with salt. starting off at 0.3. for say 5 days . then up the salt to 0.6 with lots of air. just been reading Duncans book on the part Bacterial infections of the system. he says
    Ramp the tempreture to 22\23c no more. increase the salanity to 0.6 with either , chloramine T or Acriflavin but acriflavin would be his last choice. because of a strength thing.
    that's just what I would be doing if it was my fish, others may say different.

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    Hi Freddy boy I have no experience or equipment to do the scrape but I guess I am going to have to learn! I will price up the bits I need and get them ordered as it is unlikely to be the only time this will happen as I am in it for the long haul never wanted a pond bought a house with one and now canít live without it!! Hopefully my Unwell fish will live long enough to get scraped or I will have the gear for next time if not worst case. Is there a stage where the humane thing for the fish needs to be done and if yes whatís the best option :-(


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    Where abouts are you . Maybe some one could come and help take a scrape for you

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    I am in Blackpool if anyone is near or can recommend someone


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls pond View Post
    Hi Freddy boy I have no experience or equipment to do the scrape but I guess I am going to have to learn! I will price up the bits I need and get them ordered as it is unlikely to be the only time this will happen as I am in it for the long haul never wanted a pond bought a house with one and now canít live without it!! Hopefully my Unwell fish will live long enough to get scraped or I will have the gear for next time if not worst case. Is there a stage where the humane thing for the fish needs to be done and if yes whatís the best option :-(


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    You would have to decide to do somthing like putting the fish to sleep for good.
    You will know when its suffering to much. If it had to happen. I have used cloves oil. But i now would use
    Kusuri Masuizai Koi Sedate. Much better. But worry about that if it needs to happen. I and others will help on that score. But first try to help and save it. Heat and salt and chloramine T.
    It may just be stressing.
    But i tend to agree with RS

    Good to hear your hooked in the fish game mate. Its addictive.
    I love it.
    You have a nice pond.
    Do you have a bottom drain
    If not. Do you hoover the pond floor.
    Reason i am asking. Trying to figure
    Out. How the fish has got the bacterial problem. Because if it is bacterial. You need to stop it.
    Fingers crossed for the poorly fish mate
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls pond View Post
    I am in Blackpool if anyone is near or can recommend someone


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    If no one gets in touch near you.
    Try love aquatics. Get in touch with them. And see if they can do a scrape for you.
    I have bought some of my fish there.
    And they always seem helpful.
    Its just outside blackpool

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    Thanks Fred will give them a ring tomorrow


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    Just realised thatís where I have been today! Aka the koi pool :-)


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    Hi Fred no bottom drain think the pond is from the 70,s or earlier and is concrete base. I have been hoovering the pond in the last few weeks after winter there have also been quite a few frogs and spawn so possibly to do with that pond is all clean now


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls pond View Post
    Hi Fred no bottom drain think the pond is from the 70,s or earlier and is concrete base. I have been hoovering the pond in the last few weeks after winter there have also been quite a few frogs and spawn so possibly to do with that pond is all clean now


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    Good on you mate. At least your keeping up with the maintenance.


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    Strangely therapeutic hoovering a pond!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls pond View Post
    Strangely therapeutic hoovering a pond!!


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    Haha i can think of better things to do then that.
    I have a fish identical to your poorly fish

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    Isolating the fish and gradually ramping temperature to 28C is almost certainly helpful against bacterial dropsy. I don't have the equipment and skills to verify it but I have been told that temperature significantly slows down and can stop the bacterial infections that lead to dropsy, but obviously it will only work if bacteria is the culprit, and those high temps aren't going to do the fish much good so the water parameters have to be perfect.

    Also I would have recommended isolating the fish and treating it separately as opposed to salting the pond.

    BUT....
    In that last photo you have posted the fish appears to be covered in fungus (or cotton wool disease which looks similar but I think is bacterial), this was not visible in the first photos, so you could be dealing with something much more than just dropsy. Again, fungus is usually a culprit of poor water quality - there is a theme developing here so you may need to review your "housekeeping" regime.

    As the eyes are not bulging it could be a large amount of fungus that is giving the impression of raised scales.

    If that is Fungus in the photo then Methylene Blue is great for Fungus, but you have already added other chemicals to the pond, so again, you will need to isolate the fish into perfect quality filtered and dechlorinated water before a proper treatment regime can commence.

    Can you bowl the fish to take more photos of it?
    I don't want to say it definitely has dropsy or fungus without really seeing better pictures as the first photo looked didn't pick up what is visible in the second photo, and a clearer photo could indicate something else again.

    From what I can see in the last photo I am pretty sure this fish can be saved with the right treatment.
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    Just read that Acriflavine will treat some types of bacterial "fungus", but I've never used it so don't know how effective it would be in your situation, but hopefully it will help whilst you wait for additional help from someone who can inspect the fish in person and recommend a treatment program.
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