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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark4785 View Post
    This looks to be Mouth Rot and it is primarily caused by either the fish consuming rotten food or the fish having been dropped on its mouth. An effective treatment is Waterlife Myxazin and separate salt baths. If the mouth has already started to rot away rather than their being just redness then I highly doubt there is much you can do to save the fish as it will be succumbing to septicaemia.
    I sorted five of mine with pp dips 3 times over 3 week period. At the same time using 0.6 salt in qt at 25c. I know people don t like pp dips but it worked for me. When your desperate your desperate. Was going to die anyway. Two looked just like yours also ulcers.
    I tried everything under the sun.
    Chlormine t. Malchite. The lot.
    Nothing worked. but pp dipping and salt did. I know its dangerous. But so it is to the fish.when nothing works. And i can t afford vets bills. Retired pensioner.

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    Also i forgot to add. I believe the cause of mine was black algie. Ask some on here it burns and brings you out in sores. So the fins and delicate mouths aint got much chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark4785 View Post
    This looks to be Mouth Rot and it is primarily caused by either the fish consuming rotten food or the fish having been dropped on its mouth. An effective treatment is Waterlife Myxazin and separate salt baths. If the mouth has already started to rot away rather than their being just redness then I highly doubt there is much you can do to save the fish as it will be succumbing to septicaemia.
    I would definitely not recommend a formalin based product such as the one you are recommending to treat this. Especially with salt!

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    You would do the salt bath separately, see my quote. Never mentioned using them at the same time.

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    Morning all - Update

    So...not lost any more fish but.....

    The mouth rot seems to be spreading to more fish.
    It appears to be the insides of their mouths.

    Some fish who were sulking, appear to be improving. Fish which had appeared fine, now have red mouths.

    I did a Chloramine T treatment on Thursday of last week (bacterial dose).
    Salt still present.
    Additional Air still going in.
    Trickle in/out still on
    Heat at 22-23
    Nitrite 0ppm
    Ammonia 0ppm
    Kh OK
    Scrapes, show nothing (as before).

    Before adding the treatment, I performed a 30% water change, and cleaned the EazyPod.
    Filters are very clean, as is everything else.
    Stopped feeding for a week.

    I turned off the UV and Shower when I added the Chloramine T, and turned them back on yesterday morning.

    What would be the best way forward now please?
    Am I doing the right thing, and continue treatment with chloramine t - increase dose or continue with bacterial based does?

    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Designer1 View Post
    What would be the best way forward now please?
    I would say best way forward would be to have someone experienced and knowledgeable about fish health come out to take a look

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    The only other thing you should probably check is that there is no chlorine getting into the system (test dechlorinator output if youre using one).
    I know you kentioned you altered your air ring- are there any sharp bits such as zip ties on anything they could be catching themselves on?

    If not then I would still be approaching this as a bacterial problem. I would continue with 0.6% salt and chloramine T.

    If any fish are looking severely affected then getting swabs sent off for bacterial culture and sensitivity would be ideal- you would then have the option of antibiotic injections for the fish who are suffering the worst. Not sure how far you are prepared to go with this though- there would be a certain cost involved in doing all that.

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    Hi -
    I checked Chlorine using the DPD tablets - no trace

    The only thing abrasive present is the air ring itself - which I could remove thinking about it, as I now have air stones in the tank as well.

    The tank has a bottom drain and an overflow, and that's about it.
    Return is via shower and ball valve....

    Thank you Feline - always value your input, just wanted to check I was doing the right thing.

    Will continue as I am for the time being.

    Would you recommend waiting the full week before re-treating?

    or, would you dump 30% water and re-treat now?

    Also - dose level - continue with bacterial level dose or increase to parasite dose levels please?
    Its a hole in the ground where I throw my money!

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    After a few more deaths, it would appear that the following applies to my situation:

    https://veterinaryresearch.biomedcen...297-9716-44-27

    Cytophaga Columnaris formally known as Flexibacter.
    Anyone experienced this or similar?

    I've treated with one pass of Cytofex Colombo Cytofex Anti Bacterial Infections
    Which seems to have helped but hasn't eradicated the issue, so currently treating for the second time.

    Water is very good - no food going in to speak of really.
    trickle in/out
    more air present.

    Would welcome anyone's experiences....
    thank you
    Its a hole in the ground where I throw my money!

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    Does anyone know where I can source any of the following please:

    Nitrofurazone, Furazolidone, Tetracycline and Oxolinic Acid

    'Api Furan 2' contains two of the ingredients, but I cant seem to find it in the UK?

    Thank you
    Its a hole in the ground where I throw my money!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Designer1 View Post
    Does anyone know where I can source any of the following please:

    Nitrofurazone, Furazolidone, Tetracycline and Oxolinic Acid

    'Api Furan 2' contains two of the ingredients, but I cant seem to find it in the UK?

    Thank you
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    Anyone experiencing issues similar to me may gain some help from the following:

    dreaded flexibacter

    Hopefully its of some help.

    Flexibacter
    Columnaris
    Bacterial Infection
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    Quote Originally Posted by Designer1 View Post
    Does anyone know where I can source any of the following please:

    Nitrofurazone, Furazolidone, Tetracycline and Oxolinic Acid

    'Api Furan 2' contains two of the ingredients, but I cant seem to find it in the UK?

    Thank you
    Have you sent away a swab for culture and sensitivity? If not- then you do not know what type of bacteria are involved.
    The drugs you've listed above are all prescription only medicines, and most of them you will not find readily available in the UK, even if you obtained a prescription.

    What do the gills look like of the fish you have lost, and survivors in this tank?

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    Hi - Haven't sent away a swab.
    Have only diagnosed my findings.

    Saddle bag syndrome
    mouth rot
    upper tail fin erosion

    Gills, white in places.

    Given I've experienced all the above, which appear to be the symptoms outlined in:https://veterinaryresearch.biomedcen...297-9716-44-27

    Surely its best to treat as such? Cant be coincidental.

    Or am I getting this very wrong.....what would you do???

    Taking further scrapes this evening.
    Most of the fish which are left are swimming actively now & looking for food, 3/4 are still sulking.


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    I would have swabs sent away to find out what the bacterial cause is (if any). Or consider sending a fish to Lincs fish health for a diagnosis. I definitely wouldn't illegally obtain antibiotics based on assumptions that there is no evidence for tbh. Scrapes next is a good move. There is always the possibility that jumping from one treatment to another can actually make things worse- where you possibly can, base what you do on actual findings.

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    Thanks for your response....

    Firstly - Who said anything about 'illegally' obtaining anything?

    What would be the approximate costs of the 2 solutions you have recommended please?

    Scrapes completed on various fish (3rd time) - all scrapes clean.
    Its a hole in the ground where I throw my money!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Designer1 View Post
    After a few more deaths, it would appear that the following applies to my situation:

    https://veterinaryresearch.biomedcen...297-9716-44-27

    Cytophaga Columnaris formally known as Flexibacter.
    Anyone experienced this or similar?

    I've treated with one pass of Cytofex Colombo Cytofex Anti Bacterial Infections
    Which seems to have helped but hasn't eradicated the issue, so currently treating for the second time.

    Water is very good - no food going in to speak of really.
    trickle in/out
    more air present.

    Would welcome anyone's experiences....
    thank you
    Do you leave trickle in out On when treating for bacteria Help Needed Please - 2nd Dead Fish?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Designer1 View Post
    Ok - So in short - new QT setup, filters are now maturing.

    Shower installed 3 weeks now.

    Easy Pod

    300G

    Water -

    0.25ppm Ammonia
    0.25ppm Nitrite

    Attachment 20927Attachment 20928Attachment 20929

    This is the second fish to die in 3 days.

    Scraped 3 fish yesterday - nothing showing

    Others are feeding, and active - one behaving slightly differently - sulking slightly perhaps?

    What should I do please, any help welcome.

    Any info ive missed please ask - im writing this in a slight panic if honest.

    Thanks
    Check your filter media too. I had an issue like this last year and in the end I put it down to one of my Jap matt cartidges was clean at the top yet quite dirty at the bottom so gave it a good rinse out.then put it a pure bomb.

    Fish stopped dying soon as that was done.

    Hope you get it sorted- its a dreadful feeling loosing fish

    Jim

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    Ok - so mine definitely had a bacterial infection, bought in on one of the fish I purchased from my dealer (at the time). I injected all fish with antibiotics, and this rectified the issue.
    Antibiotics provided by the dealer.

    While this nightmare was going on, stop food, keep water as close to perfect as you can.

    Not something I ever want to go through again if honest, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
    Its a hole in the ground where I throw my money!

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