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    Two fish flashing a lotÖ..first treatmentÖ.

    Hi all. Iíve had my 14400 litre pond running since around November last year. It has had a trio of stallatus sturgeon in it over winter and the filter was seeded from an aquarium in the house.

    Over the past three weeks Iíve been slowly adding koi from curtlebrook.

    The water tests bang on for everything I can test for (ph, KH, dh, ammonia, nitrate and nitrite).

    Two of the koi have been flashing a fair amount today. I have a microscope due in the next couple of days that ordered last week so I have one to hand.

    I will be moving the sturgeon to my quarantine pond on Thursday (Iím working away tomorrow). I will scrape as soon as the microscope arrives.

    My question is - Iím conscious the weekend will be here by the time I know what to treat for. Iíve read a lot of the info on here but canít deduce if any of the parasites are significantly more prevalent than others? Is it worth ordering fluke stuff or another treatment as itís more likely than not one parasite over another?

    Finally, Iím in Newport Shropshire (half way between Stafford and Telford) - any recommendations for places selling parasite treatment local to me so I donít have to wait for mail order?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shropshire_Tom View Post
    Hi all. Iíve had my 14400 litre pond running since around November last year. It has had a trio of stallatus sturgeon in it over winter and the filter was seeded from an aquarium in the house.

    Over the past three weeks Iíve been slowly adding koi from curtlebrook.

    The water tests bang on for everything I can test for (ph, KH, dh, ammonia, nitrate and nitrite).

    Two of the koi have been flashing a fair amount today. I have a microscope due in the next couple of days that ordered last week so I have one to hand.

    I will be moving the sturgeon to my quarantine pond on Thursday (Iím working away tomorrow). I will scrape as soon as the microscope arrives.

    My question is - Iím conscious the weekend will be here by the time I know what to treat for. Iíve read a lot of the info on here but canít deduce if any of the parasites are significantly more prevalent than others? Is it worth ordering fluke stuff or another treatment as itís more likely than not one parasite over another?

    Finally, Iím in Newport Shropshire (half way between Stafford and Telford) - any recommendations for places selling parasite treatment local to me so I donít have to wait for mail order?


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    Iv had a similar thing going on Tom, only a few fish. I notice it starts after feeds so wondering if itís spikes in ammonia as the filter is maturing slowly with these temps, or have read that certain foods can annoy the gills as they crunch it up and they flash to help dislodge.

    Iv got a scope turning up tomorow but they have not flashed for a few days now. I think from what I have been researching and my plan is if I find 1 or two just leave them and monitor into summer unless it looks like a breakout, Iíll then plan the treatment. Best of luck


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    Quote Originally Posted by james9489 View Post
    Iv had a similar thing going on Tom, only a few fish. I notice it starts after feeds so wondering if itís spikes in ammonia as the filter is maturing slowly with these temps, or have read that certain foods can annoy the gills as they crunch it up and they flash to help dislodge.

    Iv got a scope turning up tomorow but they have not flashed for a few days now. I think from what I have been researching and my plan is if I find 1 or two just leave them and monitor into summer unless it looks like a breakout, Iíll then plan the treatment. Best of luck


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    Thanks James. Let me know how you get on and what you find. Iíll keep you posted on mine.

    I donít think itís ammonia spike but I could be wrong, if it is, itís dropping again quickly as I test 0 whenever I test it. Just fitted an ASHP so slowly bringing the temperature up over the last few days.

    Microscope is due tomorrow according to tracking so hoping some more info then.


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    It might be worth getting some P.P. ordered up, as that is very often the first thing needed. It would be used prior to fluke treatment for example and also as a treatment for Tricodina.

    Have you also checked for Chlorine?
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    Scope came early, bloody flukes. Only found 3 after an hour on the slide. Will monitor and get some PP and fluke treatment at the ready.




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    Quote Originally Posted by g mac View Post
    It might be worth getting some P.P. ordered up, as that is very often the first thing needed. It would be used prior to fluke treatment for example and also as a treatment for Tricodina.

    Have you also checked for Chlorine?
    I havenít changed any water recently other than my trickle in which is through a carbon pod which has 1000ís of litres left. Test is also clear for chlorine.

    Thanks for the info on the PP - really appreciate the advice. First pond and first koi and just finding my feet.

    For my information, do you always treat with PP before fluke treatment?


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    Quote Originally Posted by james9489 View Post
    Scope came early, bloody flukes. Only found 3 after an hour on the slide. Will monitor and get some PP and fluke treatment at the ready.




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    Little bastards. Glad you found them. Let me know how the treatment goes, Iíll let you know what I find on mine tomorrow


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shropshire_Tom View Post
    Little bastards. Glad you found them. Let me know how the treatment goes, Iíll let you know what I find on mine tomorrow


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    Let me know how you get on, fingers crossed!


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    On the subject of flukes, these were totally still, no movement at all. Dead flukes? Is that a good sign? Or did I squash them between the slides too hard and kill them?!


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    Quote Originally Posted by james9489 View Post
    On the subject of flukes, these were totally still, no movement at all. Dead flukes? Is that a good sign? Or did I squash them between the slides too hard and kill them?!


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    it all takes a little practise
    you shouldn't need to squash the slide just let the weight of the cover slip spread out the sample.
    heres a good video showing how best to do it


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    What magnification was your photo taken at? I think I found 4 flukes, but at 100x they were smaller than appears on your photo and Iíd be buggered if I could find anything at 400x

    The ones I found were also not moving.

    In the absence of any other evidence I think Iím going to treat tomorrow.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shropshire_Tom View Post
    What magnification was your photo taken at? I think I found 4 flukes, but at 100x they were smaller than appears on your photo and Iíd be buggered if I could find anything at 400x

    The ones I found were also not moving.

    In the absence of any other evidence I think Iím going to treat tomorrow.


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    Damn nasty flukes.. mines a bressser nv 20x. Iím so new to this but think it was the 40x setting at this scale. At 10x I couldnít see much. I spent ages on the top of the glass instead of the inside?! Then I plugged it into the computer and it was much easier to navigate. Iím a bit scared of pp think I might try 3 courses of learnex at 100% then 50% and 50%. Just hope my digital water meter is correct. Best of luck with treatment


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    Quote Originally Posted by james9489 View Post
    Damn nasty flukes.. mines a bressser nv 20x. Iím so new to this but think it was the 40x setting at this scale. At 10x I couldnít see much. I spent ages on the top of the glass instead of the inside?! Then I plugged it into the computer and it was much easier to navigate. Iím a bit scared of pp think I might try 3 courses of learnex at 100% then 50% and 50%. Just hope my digital water meter is correct. Best of luck with treatment


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    I *think* the viewing piece is 10x magnification, so the bottom lens marked 10 is 10x10 so 100 magnification and the 40x is 400 magnification.

    I think. Donít quote me on it.


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    Sorry to hear about the parasites. Flukes are a particular nightmare to eradicate. They're pretty bomb proof.

    I wouldn't worry too much about if they're moving or not under the scope. The fact you have found them shows they're in the pond and that's all you need to know really.

    PP won't kill flukes. At most it will remove the mucus layer from the fish and may knock the flukes back slightly, but it is pretty aggressive stuff on the fish.

    Unfortunately fluke medication is the priciest medication out of the lot and you will almost certainly need to do repeat doses, possibly trying 2-3 different types of stuff before you can shift them. So whatever one you go for, I'd aim to buy double the amount of whatever you think you'll need.

    I would recommend having a look at other fluke threads on here as you'll see what sort of regime others have had to follow to get rid of the buggers.

    If you have shower filters they can pose a bit of an issue. As shower filters can quickly breakdown the fluke medication, it means you'll need to add extra medication. But equally if you try and by pass the shower and not treat the shower filter, there could be some lurking in there that then start repopulating after you have finished treating. Drum filters can also remove the medication as it's powder based, which poses another issue too.

    Fingers crossed you can wipe them out before summer is here.

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    Thanks T. That followed my thoughts on the flukes not moving, just spotting them I figured was an issue.

    Dosed with Flukes Solve Plus this morning. My biggest fish, a 42cm Showa, went mad 5 mins after the medication went in, flashing none stop and swimming around the pond at full speed. Is that normal? Iím hoping itís because the flukes had started to die and potentially were biting harder or else dying and becoming dislodged irritating her.

    Iíve read some of those flukes posts. RS2000ís gave me nightmares last night, fingers crossed I donít have the battle he did!

    Iíve bought enough Flukes Solve Plus for a second dose. Lots of conflicting advice on sticking to the manufacturers 3 week interval or doing soonerÖ.think Iíll stick to the 3 weeks and see how I go this time. Expensive stuff, Iím hoping thatís a sign of efficacy.

    Compared to some pictures from the internet, my flukes looked to be a very mild case. 3 fish and 9 slides and I only found 4 definite and 2 possible flukes. Annoyingly, because she showed no symptoms and Iíd never seen her flash, I didnít scrape the big female Showa that went mad flashing after the medication went in.


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    Daft as it sounds, 45 mins after treatment, there seems to be a massive improvement in behaviour and temperament. Fingers crossed.


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    Someone on this forum once recommended - when adding new fish, always assume they carry the worst parasites and always treat regardless if they appear on scope or not.

    For me, adding new fish in summer means they are in QT for two weeks - first 3 days in PP and next 10 days in Supaverm - all parasites inc flukes exterminated!

    Adding in colder months which I did back in Jan - means unable to get water temp stable in QT as I donít heat - so treated the whole pond the same way. Existing fish may carry residue flukes from last year anyway.

    Not recommending Supaverm without exhausting other flukes treatment first - they all failed for me - cost so much too.

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    Great to hear Tom! Let us know how you get on with the next scrape. Iím going to look into your treatment if it works and go for it if I see any more flashing. Everyone seems really happy at the moment no flashing for a week.


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