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    Started treatment for fluke

    Iíve just started my first treatment for fluke using fluke solve plus. It says on the instructions to turn off UV and protein Skimmers which Iíve done, the aerated bottom drain is still going and causing a lot of foam on the surface of the pond . Isnít that the same as a protein skimmer, produce foam. Should I turn it off. Any input would be much appreciated.
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    I think it’s best to keep plenty of air going in there, despite the foam.
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    Thanks g Mac i’ll keep the air going in overnight and see what it’s like in the morning. I would’ve thought if there was a problem with the air going in and the foaming they would have said something on their blurb. But just wanted to check as this stuff is so bloody expensive

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    Good luck, hope the treatment works.
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    Before I started the treatment for fluke. I was treating the pond for blanket weed using resolve. I really need to give the pond a second dose of resolve to get rid of it completely. do you think it would be safe to do so after say seven or eight days, and before I do my second dose of fluke solve plus in three weeks time.
    many thanks Martin.

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    I would probably do the second dose of fluke treatment earlier than three weeks.
    I would guess that the Resolve would be safe to use, although if there is a lot of blanket weed, you don't really want that breaking down and depleting oxygen.


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    It says on the blurb to leave three weeks between treatments, I did think myself that this was a bit excessive but presume there must be a reason for it. As for blanket weed die off and oxygen levels, I have 40 L of air going to the bottom drain and 100 L going into the Nexus also running a waterfall. my stock of fish are fairly low, I only have about 20 in a 41,000 L pond. I think you’re right about contacting the manufacturers just to check. Thanks g Mac for your quick response.

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    Resolve in my experience need 3 weekly doses then wait a bit then algae die en mass. FSP will only knock back wonít eradicate. Itís bloody expensive. Youíll need to first get rid of algae by hand as much as you can then does Resolve and after theyíre almost gone, do PP for 3 consecutive days to strip mucus coat then dose FSP or whatever other fluke treatment - otherwise youíd be wasting money as flukes hide under mucus coat. CT works instead of PP, but I prefer PP sorts other parasites like trics and costia as well which usually present with flukes as opportunists

    Good luck!

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    Tanks Namo
    You’re certainly right about the cost of FSP, it’s cost me almost £200 for two courses of treatment.
    I’ve never used PP before but have read conflicting opinions about using it with FSP, so not sure which way to go.
    Have you tried the treatment method that you mentioned.

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    This would be helpful https://www.koiforum.uk/koi-health-d...tml#post418300

    Itís Lernex Pro a product equally or more effective than FSP. Neither would guarantee elimination though

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamoAmituofo View Post
    Resolve in my experience need 3 weekly doses then wait a bit then algae die en mass. FSP will only knock back won’t eradicate. It’s bloody expensive. You’ll need to first get rid of algae by hand as much as you can then does Resolve and after they’re almost gone, do PP for 3 consecutive days to strip mucus coat then dose FNamoSP or whatever other fluke treatment - otherwise you’d be wasting money as flukes hide under mucus coat. CT works instead of PP, but I prefer PP sorts other parasites like trics and costia as well which usually present with flukes as opportunists

    Good luck!
    Hi Namo at what dose would you PP for 3 days
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    Assume the pond/filter has been deep cleaned before PP treatment and algae is not significant - I usually go with 2ppm to start with monitor if water colour changed to brown, if so top up with 1ppm as needed. Keep water tinted (pink/orange) which shows PP is still effective for 6-8hrs. Top up max twice with 1ppm and if water still goes brown it shows too much organic waste in water. I donít add HP to neutralize - just leave residue PP in for rest of day.

    In 24hrs Iíd start the same dosage regime again. 3 days in a row. This will not just strip off mucus to bare skin and attack parasites very effectively with first dose of prazi or whatever fluke treatment - but create an almost sterile environment to prevent secondary bacteria infection.

    Remember PP is a game of total exposure - not a game of strongest dose for this purpose. Do not does more than 3ppm unless you really know what youíre doing and have plenty of HP to hand and you canít leave fish without monitoring at this dose for longer than 30mins.

    Max air into the pond. No feeding 2 days prior to treatment and go very light after treatment only when fish really beg food. Youíd have effectively nuked all healthy bacteria with 3 days of PP and need to give them time to bounce back before feeding resumes - they do bounce back within a week or so and May observe slight nitrite during that time frame

    My fav time is start treatment at 6pm and go to bed at midnight . Start during the day so OK but if sun is strong the UV will make PP less effective - my belief not necessarily all science

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    I did a scrape today on one of the fish and couldn’t believe the amounts of fluke I found, must’ve been 50 to 60 on one slide. I don’t think the first treatment I put in had any effect at all. On a previous post I put up, I asked the question whether an out of date pouch of fluke solve plus would be okay to use as it was only one month out of date and the general opinion was yes it would be okay. I’m beginning to think that was wrong.
    I’ve treated the pond again today with newly purchased FSP, and found even mixing it was easier than the first time, and after putting it in, there was no foaming on the surface of the pond as there was a first time. Going to give it 48 hours and do another scrape.
    As i’ve said before, I have never used PP before and I don’t feel confident enough to use it. If I get it wrong, I could do even more damage than the fluke could do.

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    Donít be put off by PPs seemingly bad rep - read /research into it, then experiment with it at low dosage 1ppm. Once gained confidence /experience you can treat stronger.

    Get a large bottle of HP to hand just in case you get PP dosage wrong.

    Get a jewelry scale as well you want to accurate to 0.1g for PP weighting. They are cheap so get a good one and test with a penny coin to see if caliber is spot on.

    Search for Roarkís PP rules online.

    Youíll want to get the hang of using this substance before you really need to use it. If you get a parasite outbreak with water temp lower than 12 - PP is likely the only solution

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