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    Trichodina help

    Hey all,

    I cant get rid of Trichodina , on going for a few months

    whats the alternatives other than salt that work?

    ive PP 20Grams 3000gallons a few times

    FMG NOW 5 times all in accordance with instructions

    pond is debris free , crystal clear water, i purged my lines , cleaned drum out.


    FMG yesterday and today a couple of fish now have raised scaled ffs done a scrap and fount live Trichodina swimming freely .

    any help please.

    thanks



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    I've dosed my pond with PP twice now and the fish are still flashing and twitching.

    Think I'm in the same boat as you, dealing with mutant ninja Trich.

    If PP doesn't get them. I'm not sure what else I could use?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Twhitenosugar View Post
    I've dosed my pond with PP twice now and the fish are still flashing and twitching.

    Think I'm in the same boat as you, dealing with mutant ninja Trich.

    If PP doesn't get them. I'm not sure what else I could use?



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    cheers for the reply,

    ive never had a problem treating trich in the past one does of FMG always done the job.

    had to resort to making my own FMG MIX thats stronger , but still hasnt done the job,, 240ml formalhyde 220ml malachite green as apparently you can alter this quantity based on water temps but the containers dont state this .
    so dont think i can make this much stronger than is without adversely being harmful to my fish .

    do you have little white spots/bumps on your fish as well over their bodies? which is actually a sign of ich But only found trich

    just dont understand why my pond is prone to this parasite when its generally very clean and only have nitrate issues. from my understanding trich feed on waste material not algae

    for months not raised scales and now suddenly 2 fish have raised scales...

    i dunno what else to use thats why ive posted.

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    I had a similar issue with trich . I treated with a standard dose of PP , but found them again , 2 weeks later .

    A couple of weeks ago , I used a slightly stronger dose of PP , at 1.75g per 1000 liters and topped up with a half dose at 2 hours .

    This seems to have got rid of the trich - not seen any flashing for a week now , and scrapes are clear . It did however put the fish off their food for several days .

    Be very careful , if you go down this route ,though ,as its quite a harsh treatment , and we`ve seen recently what can go wrong if too much is used .

    Hope you manage to get it sorted out .
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    Quote Originally Posted by hippo View Post
    I had a similar issue with trich . I treated with a standard dose of PP , but found them again , 2 weeks later .

    A couple of weeks ago , I used a slightly stronger dose of PP , at 1.75g per 1000 liters and topped up with a half dose at 2 hours .

    This seems to have got rid of the trich - not seen any flashing for a week now , and scrapes are clear . It did however put the fish off their food for several days .

    Be very careful , if you go down this route ,though ,as its quite a harsh treatment , and we`ve seen recently what can go wrong if too much is used .

    Hope you manage to get it sorted out .
    yer its another 6 grams more than what i used previously, i might have to go down this route . did you try dipping method by any chance?

    had to order more potassium permanganate, prices have gone up massively , luckly some places still selling it for £10 for 250g

    i did do it in the evening due to sun exposure , i must admit judging how much to top up by is the difficult part as its impossible to judge how much its weakened by

    another koi over night has developed a cloudy eye but its multi coloured as opposed to opaque , i could have caused this by over dosing FMG mix. or it could be down another symptom of Trich

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    amazon have 50 g pp for £10.49 plus £3.10 for postage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ziggys dad View Post
    amazon have 50 g pp for £10.49 plus £3.10 for postage.
    i dont buy anything from Amazon (tax avoider)

    already brought it last night from queni koi ,, 250grams for £10
    Kusuri Potassium Permanganate - 250g (queni-koi.co.uk)

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    Quote Originally Posted by markini5 View Post
    yer its another 6 grams more than what i used previously, i might have to go down this route . did you try dipping method by any chance?
    No , most of the fish were sulking and flashing , so I just PP`d the pond after I`d scraped a couple .
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    Quote Originally Posted by hippo View Post
    No , most of the fish were sulking and flashing , so I just PP`d the pond after I`d scraped a couple .
    im wondering why Kusuri PP says 6.8g per 1000gallons for 12 -15 hours when most of us do this for 4 hours

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    I asked the same question on here a few weeks back. The general consensus was to ignore the instructions and just dose at 1.5g per 1000litres and keep topping up to keep it purple for 4 hours.

    I questioned it as it seems an incredibly long time to expose the fish to such a harsh chemical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twhitenosugar View Post
    I asked the same question on here a few weeks back. The general consensus was to ignore the instructions and just dose at 1.5g per 1000litres and keep topping up to keep it purple for 4 hours.

    I questioned it as it seems an incredibly long time to expose the fish to such a harsh chemical.

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    cheers mate for that, so with most peoples views my 20grams for 3000gallons should really be approx 22grams

    i will go with that quantity and hope it works for me, always get anxious using PP, luckily ive never had any bad reactions

    last resort will go down hippo's route of 1.75g per 1000l

    thanks
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    I know what you mean about getting nervous. I was too as I only used it for the first time a few weeks back. And all I could think about were the horror stories.

    Tbh the initial dose is the easy bit. It's topping it up so you retain a strong enough solution but without over doing it that's the tricky bit.

    On my second time of using pp I over did the top up dose in the last hour and had to end the treatment 30mins prematurely as the fish were starting to look distressed.

    It's a bugger as the first time I used pp didn't kill off the trich, so wanted to make the second treatment slightly stronger, but ended up over doing it.

    I think the trick is little and often, but give each top up 10mins to fully circulate and colour the water, before adding more if you think it's necessary.

    Good luck with it. I hope it works for you as these parasites really do takeaway some of the enjoyment from the hobby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twhitenosugar View Post
    I know what you mean about getting nervous. I was too as I only used it for the first time a few weeks back. And all I could think about were the horror stories.

    Tbh the initial dose is the easy bit. It's topping it up so you retain a strong enough solution but without over doing it that's the tricky bit.

    On my second time of using pp I over did the top up dose in the last hour and had to end the treatment 30mins prematurely as the fish were starting to look distressed.

    It's a bugger as the first time I used pp didn't kill off the trich, so wanted to make the second treatment slightly stronger, but ended up over doing it.

    I think the trick is little and often, but give each top up 10mins to fully circulate and colour the water, before adding more if you think it's necessary.

    Good luck with it. I hope it works for you as these parasites really do takeaway some of the enjoyment from the hobby
    Do you mix it up before (the top up) or add more powder directly? I am planning to do it maybe this weekend, want to give the bottom of the pond a vac out with my homemade pond vac this weekend then doing the treatment to ensure its completely clean. I am thinking of having a bottle of ST solution ready and a bucket with mixed PP in to top up is this correct?

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    Definitely mix it up in a bucket (rather than add directly).

    I mixed in a bucket with nearly boiling water and stirred it with a long length of plastic pipe for 5 minutes. Then added some cooler water and kept stirring. Then dropped an airstone in (if you do this, watch out for splashing as the stuff will be super concentrated).

    From memory I added the full dose gradually over 20mins - I tried to pour it in the bubbles from the Bd, to avoid fish swimming directly into a concentrated cloud.

    I then mixed up a half dose in the bucket, then when the purple started turning brown, added the top up dose.

    As I said before I added the half dose in one go, but should've added it in stages, allowed the fresh stuff to fully circulate, monitor the colour and then judge if a little more needs adding etc...

    I'm no expert by any means, just sharing what I did.

    Hope it goes smoothly for you Sam.



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    Quote Originally Posted by samp09 View Post
    Do you mix it up before (the top up) or add more powder directly? I am planning to do it maybe this weekend, want to give the bottom of the pond a vac out with my homemade pond vac this weekend then doing the treatment to ensure its completely clean. I am thinking of having a bottle of ST solution ready and a bucket with mixed PP in to top up is this correct?
    i mix it with hot water from kettle because in power/crystal form it doesnt dissolve properly , i then pour mine gradually over 10 mins (2 litre jug) 1/4 every 2 1/2 minutes into skimmer line that feeds the drum filter along with bottom drain mixes up really well in the bio chamber then back to pond

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