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    Preventive Medications

    Is there anything available that you can dose the pond, for say each yr, for arguments sake that can help to keep parasites etc away?



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    Virkon is something you can use to try and prevent bacterial infections as it kills bacteria in the pond but doesn't effect your biofilm I believe. Some people use salt although less so these days as they realise its not good practise for the koi. Otherwise its more a case of treating on spotting something rather than for the sake of it.

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    Good husbandry
    No new fish
    No birds taking a bloody bath (I blame this one for my last out brake washing in the multibay bay before I built the filter box)

    As Sam says a few are using that stuff but I won't as I don't understand (my lack of knowledge) how it can pick and chose which bacteria it kills??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    Good husbandry
    No new fish
    No birds taking a bloody bath (I blame this one for my last out brake washing in the multibay bay before I built the filter box)

    As Sam says a few are using that stuff but I won't as I don't understand (my lack of knowledge) how it can pick and chose which bacteria it kills??
    Bloody hell Johnathan, I've just seen your glowing 'Supreme Champion' logo under your name! The standards must have really slipped in koi shows these days!!!!

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    The simple answer to this is no.
    There is nothing you can add to prevent parasites.
    Except maybe something that kills all forms of life including the fish.

    It’s important to remember that koi will generally always have very low levels of some parasites permanently on them, just waiting to take advantage of any situation where their immune system is weakened. Or to take advantage of a new fish who has not met that parasite before. People often blame birds, frogs and other wildlife for bringing parasites into their pond, but even people with indoor ponds who have added no new fish can get parasite outbreaks.

    It should not be your aim as a koi keeper to keep sterile water- it’s an ecosystem that if kept in balance everything will be ok.

    The only preventative I generally consider is adding salt prior to adding new young koi to the pond (Tosai). It seems to help them settle in, and is something dealers and breeders often do when moving batches of young fish. Some people are very against salt use in the pond though, so each to their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    Good husbandry
    No new fish
    No birds taking a bloody bath (I blame this one for my last out brake washing in the multibay bay before I built the filter box)

    As Sam says a few are using that stuff but I won't as I don't understand (my lack of knowledge) how it can pick and chose which bacteria it kills??

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    Got NPS I think, parameters are fine, pond still closed in, as there's no sign of warmer weather, ASHP set at 16 degrees but water temp is going up and down when suns out it can alter by 2 degrees, I dunno still on the steep learning curve, mate is coming down Saturday, hopefully he can work his magic, otherwise my showa is facing a shorter life than I hoped for him/her

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feline View Post
    The simple answer to this is no.
    There is nothing you can add to prevent parasites.
    Except maybe something that kills all forms of life including the fish.

    It’s important to remember that koi will generally always have very low levels of some parasites permanently on them, just waiting to take advantage of any situation where their immune system is weakened. Or to take advantage of a new fish who has not met that parasite before. People often blame birds, frogs and other wildlife for bringing parasites into their pond, but even people with indoor ponds who have added no new fish can get parasite outbreaks.

    It should not be your aim as a koi keeper to keep sterile water- it’s an ecosystem that if kept in balance everything will be ok.

    The only preventative I generally consider is adding salt prior to adding new young koi to the pond (Tosai). It seems to help them settle in, and is something dealers and breeders often do when moving batches of young fish. Some people are very against salt use in the pond though, so each to their own.
    I never wanted to use it, but the advice I had when two new fish become all veiny and generally very poorly, was to dose with salt up to 0,6 % it worked the difference was remarkable, but the showa who got better is going down again got like blisters under some of his scales, seems to be breaking out more and more, he's swimming feeding well though, he is flashing and I've others flash as well, all be it not a lot, but they need checking, I'm reluctant to go chasing them with the net though, my mate is very experienced in koi keeping so I'm gonna leave it to him.

    Got a new fish coming in tomorrow, that I can't put off coming any longer, so he'll go in tank, there's 5 in there but they are all fine.


    Do you recommend adding salt to tank in preparation for fishes arrival if yes how much, its around 360 gallons give or take, I got a salt meter here though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by samp09 View Post
    Bloody hell Johnathan, I've just seen your glowing 'Supreme Champion' logo under your name! The standards must have really slipped in koi shows these days!!!!
    Best bit is haven't got a clue what ya talking about lol don't show up on Tapatalk lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Koi View Post
    I never wanted to use it, but the advice I had when two new fish become all veiny and generally very poorly, was to dose with salt up to 0,6 % it worked the difference was remarkable, but the showa who got better is going down again got like blisters under some of his scales, seems to be breaking out more and more, he's swimming feeding well though, he is flashing and I've others flash as well, all be it not a lot, but they need checking, I'm reluctant to go chasing them with the net though, my mate is very experienced in koi keeping so I'm gonna leave it to him.

    Got a new fish coming in tomorrow, that I can't put off coming any longer, so he'll go in tank, there's 5 in there but they are all fine.


    Do you recommend adding salt to tank in preparation for fishes arrival if yes how much, its around 360 gallons give or take, I got a salt meter here though?
    Yes, I think salting the tank is a good idea initially. I generally go for 0.3% in this situation, since you’re not actually treating anything. You can then scrape the new fish a few days after it arriving and settling in to see what turns up. If I do salt to 0.6% then I do it in stages over a 3 day period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feline View Post
    Yes, I think salting the tank is a good idea initially. I generally go for 0.3% in this situation, since you’re not actually treating anything. You can then scrape the new fish a few days after it arriving and settling in to see what turns up. If I do salt to 0.6% then I do it in stages over a 3 day period.
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