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    Thought too good a start - Is this white spot :(

    Afternoon all

    Crap morning, found many fish flashing on the bottom of the pond this morning, put off working and did full water test, all are as relatively close as on the weekend (New Pond - 1 new Drako drum & Bio on BD's and Mature Nexus/Sieve on skimmer line)

    Spent an age trying to catch some fish, got a couple, done a couple of scrapes (new to this other than a couple of practices) couldn't see any movement but my daughter found this round thing, it was not moving though...

    Any thoughts please ??

    Round thing 03-12-20.jpg

    If it isn't anything then I am stumped what is up with them



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    Isn't that just an air bubble?

    Sorry to hear that you're having problems though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by g mac View Post
    Isn't that just an air bubble?

    Sorry to hear that you're having problems though.
    I think it is now yes, just done a 3rd scrape, second fish and all looks clear to me

    I have Parasite Answer here... trying to stop myself just putting it in, water is relatively okay

    Nitrite > 0
    Nitrate 0
    Phosphate 2
    Ammonia > 0
    PH 7.5
    GH 19 drops
    KH 8 drops

    Seneye says
    Temp 7.625
    pH 7.51
    NH3 0.137

    so very similar to Colombo test kit
    Last edited by dbs; 03-12-2020 at 02:56 PM.

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    Could it just be a delayed response to the Ammonia levels, they are going down daily... running out of thoughts here Hmmmmm

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    With apologies to your daughter, the picture is out of focus, but it's round and stationary with solid dark edges so it looks like an air bubble to me too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manky Sanke View Post
    With apologies to your daughter, the picture is out of focus, but it's round and stationary with solid dark edges so it looks like an air bubble to me too.
    Many thanks Manky , thought as much

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    Well I am lost for ideas, Do I do a big water change, or give them a day or two, or put some Parasite Answer in just in case - Oh Dear

    Could there be something else in the water that the tests don't pick up... no rain that's for sure as still under the marquee

    I have turned the bright LED working light off that I have had on from 7:00am until 11pm every day just in case that was something to do with it, though doubtful Hmmmmmm
    Last edited by dbs; 03-12-2020 at 07:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbs View Post
    Well I am lost for ideas, Do I do a big water change, or give them a day or two, or put some Parasite Answer in just in case - Oh Dear

    Could there be something else in the water that the tests don't pick up... no rain that's for sure as still under the marquee

    I have turned the bright LED working light off that I have had on from 7:00am until 11pm every day just in case that was something to do with it, though doubtful Hmmmmmm
    Sorry to hear you`re having problems .

    As tempting as it may be , its never a good idea to put treatments in the pond until you have a good idea of whats going on . It`ll only stress the fish more , and if it turns out to be the wrong treatment , you`ll have to wait longer to add the correct one - causing even more stress .

    Might be a good idea to try and get someone local to have a look and give you a 2nd opinion . Two heads are better than one !

    Hope you get to the bottom of it !
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    Quote Originally Posted by hippo View Post
    Sorry to hear you`re having problems .

    As tempting as it may be , its never a good idea to put treatments in the pond until you have a good idea of whats going on . It`ll only stress the fish more , and if it turns out to be the wrong treatment , you`ll have to wait longer to add the correct one - causing even more stress .

    Might be a good idea to try and get someone local to have a look and give you a 2nd opinion . Two heads are better than one !

    Hope you get to the bottom of it !
    Thank you, and yes wise to say, I hope to find someone tomorrow after I see how they are in the morning.

    I may do a small water change tomorrow, I will test tap water first just incase Sunday's change was the culprit... I started to drain some today whilst I checked the water but stopped that after the tests, so only down an inch or so...

    One thing I did do on Monday thinking back, was to add more EA filter Gel, I can see that being a cause.

    Fingers crossed tomorrow is better Thought too good a start - Is this white spot :(

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    What’s the pH variability like over a 24h period?
    Have you the ability to test for chlorine?

    Sometimes with a new pond there is nothing drastic actually wrong with the water, but the fish are just not used to it. It’s worth repeating scrapes in a couple of days though just to check you’re not missing anything- sorry I don’t know how practiced you are with that kind of thing so I don’t want to be patronising

    If I ever have a situation like yours where the fish seem irritated but I just can’t find anything in the water or scrapes to cause it- I use some Pond Detox formula (the stuff Lincolnshire Fish Heath sell, it’s available online from Coastal Koi if you’re interested).
    It will mop up all kinds of things including a bit of ammonia and nitrite, so is a good emergency-wtf thing to have in your arsenal I find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feline View Post
    What’s the pH variability like over a 24h period?
    Have you the ability to test for chlorine?

    Sometimes with a new pond there is nothing drastic actually wrong with the water, but the fish are just not used to it. It’s worth repeating scrapes in a couple of days though just to check you’re not missing anything- sorry I don’t know how practiced you are with that kind of thing so I don’t want to be patronising

    If I ever have a situation like yours where the fish seem irritated but I just can’t find anything in the water or scrapes to cause it- I use some Pond Detox formula (the stuff Lincolnshire Fish Heath sell, it’s available online from Coastal Koi if you’re interested).
    It will mop up all kinds of things including a bit of ammonia and nitrite, so is a good emergency-wtf thing to have in your arsenal I find.
    MANY thanks Feline, not patronising at all, only now trying scrapes, and I never did masses of tests either but kitted myself up ready for the new pond and starting a new regime Thought too good a start - Is this white spot :(

    Thank you for the advice, and opinion, that makes me feel more at ease, I will order from Coastal Koi in the morning and keep an eye on things,

    Thankful that I have data from /on seneye on the PH, graph from last week attached...

    thanks again


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    Hi mate agree air bubbles. As said check for chlorine.
    And I would scrape more fish. After flukes.
    This year. Got rid of them. But fish where still flashing.
    I scraped 7 koi. Found nothing. Then did 3 more. On the 10th koi scrape. I found costia. So goes to show. The more scrapes the better. Also in the early days my koi where affected by my air. Out the bottom drain. Took me ages to fathom that one out. I had it on a timer. Took the timer out.
    And then played with the power of the air.
    To stop them flashing. They don t like change. If I turn the air off now. They go nuts.
    Hope you sort it mate
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddyboy View Post
    Hi mate agree air bubbles. As said check for chlorine.
    And I would scrape more fish. After flukes.
    This year. Got rid of them. But fish where still flashing.
    I scraped 7 koi. Found nothing. Then did 3 more. On the 10th koi scrape. I found costia. So goes to show. The more scrapes the better. Also in the early days my koi where affected by my air. Out the bottom drain. Took me ages to fathom that one out. I had it on a timer. Took the timer out.
    And then played with the power of the air.
    To stop them flashing. They don t like change. If I turn the air off now. They go nuts.
    Hope you sort it mate
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    Blimey mate, they are fussy buggers aren't they

    Okay great I will do some more scrapes tomorrow if that isn't considered too late as I have crap loads of work to get done before the weekend after taking 1/2 day off yesterday unplanned... I will keep a close eye on them though and try to find the worst culprit, although many seemed to be flashing to some extent (Hard to judge if it was all) I caught 2 of the worst offenders yesterday and they are the ones with the clear scrapes.

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    Here is a digital dip test, not great and but the only way i have for chlorine, this is out of the filter water just now... looking at it surprisingly not far off the other readings


    But looking at the bottom results, what the hell is that ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbs View Post
    Here is a digital dip test, not great and but the only way i have for chlorine, this is out of the filter water just now... looking at it surprisingly not far off the other readings


    But looking at the bottom results, what the hell is that ??
    Hmmmmm The DH carbonate hardness, is that an issue or just the damn dip test ??
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    hi
    dont know werher carbon dioxide would make them flash but your readings are in the red reading 15. ive just checked mine reading 2.

    hope you sort it quickly
    keith

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    Quote Originally Posted by rolo View Post
    hi
    dont know werher carbon dioxide would make them flash but your readings are in the red reading 15. ive just checked mine reading 2.

    hope you sort it quickly
    keith
    Thank you Keith - now that is odd, what test did you use, same one by any chance ??

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    Surly my carbon dioxide test in this dip strip can't be correct - I have the following air in pond
    • EA 130 going into airyated 2 bottom drains
    • EA 130 going into Drako Drum
    • EA 95 going into Nexus


    The damn pond is like a jacuzzi

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    hi
    same test strip just checked previous strips and all read zero. ive heard of super saturation but never heard of anyone having it.
    i'll have a read up what super saturation causes.

    keith

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    Quote Originally Posted by rolo View Post
    hi
    same test strip just checked previous strips and all read zero. ive heard of super saturation but never heard of anyone having it.
    i'll have a read up what super saturation causes.

    keith
    Damn, thank you... yes mine have always previously said zero so tend to ignore that one

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