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    Gill Tumor

    Hi

    I purchased this fish in Spring and it seemed perfectly healthy.

    However over the last few months I noticed that it's right gill plate was remaining slightly ajar i.e. it was unable to close it.

    I kept an eye on the fish but as it seemed healthy and was doing everything a healthy koi should, I thought I'd just keep an eye on things.

    However over the last few weeks I noticed that it looked whitish inside the top of the gill as it swam past the window, yet was still acting completely normally and feeding well. It wasn't flashing, gasping for breath, hanging, bottom sitting or doing anything that Koi normally do when something is not right.

    Anyway, I netted it, sedated it and performed a scrape for good measure.

    I found some Trich on the fish which I'll be treating the pond for, once I've given the fitlters a good clean out... just in case there is any mulm build up.

    But was wondering if anyone has seen anything like this before?

    I've asked on the Extreme Koi Grow and Show WhatsApp group but no one on there had seen anything like it before.

    I warn you now, its best not to look at if eating, as its pretty gross!


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    If you want to know for sure what it is then you need to biopsy it and send some samples away. Sometimes surgery is an option if it’s confirmed to be a tumour, but the gills are highly vascular so would be a bit risky.

    If the fish is unbothered then you could just leave it and monitor.

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    I emailed Paula Reynolds and she said that whilst tumours can be operated on, in this case it's probably gone too far and there's a chance of it spreading, even if it's removed.

    So looks like I'll keep an eye on her and euthanize if she is showing signs of suffering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twhitenosugar View Post
    I emailed Paula Reynolds and she said that whilst tumours can be operated on, in this case it's probably gone too far and there's a chance of it spreading, even if it's removed.

    So looks like I'll keep an eye on her and euthanize if she is showing signs of suffering.

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    Sorry to hear that mate. Hope it lives a nice long life.
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    Cheers Fred.

    TBH given how quickly the tumour has grown recently, I can't see it making it through winter. But you never know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twhitenosugar View Post
    Cheers Fred.

    TBH given how quickly the tumour has grown recently, I can't see it making it through winter. But you never know.

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    It's a shame mate. Don t sound good. Fingers crossed mate.
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    This is such a sad situation and that tumour does look like it's growing at a rapid rate. I've had a shubunkin that had an abdominal tumour but that was quite a slow progression so she was with me for a good while before passing. I've got a lovely little Ochiba that has swim bladder issues with negative buoyancy, so she sinks like a stone and is frequently lunking. She is not growing as she should, so I know that she will be unlikely to live too long. But I adore her, and she will actually lay in my palm to eat at the surface so that she can get a good graze on before sinking! It's quite adorable. Then about 5 weeks ago, both my Sanke and Showa presented with what is now believed to be Hikkui on their heads. Again - nothing I can do, but it's ruined the appearance of two very lovely fish and I have no clue how it's going to progress and what their prognosis will be. So, I totally sympathise with how you are probably feeling. We love our koi for all manner of reasons, but their appearance is a big part of that, and it's very sad when their beauty becomes compromised.

    I've actually had quite a lot of experience of pets with tumours. I have a passion for fancy rats and they are prone to them. I've owned many rats and seen all manner of growths in a diversity of places, even on the top of the head. Where they were encapsulated, I used to have them operated on and removed, but sadly vets charges escalated exponentially and this became unaffordable in more recent years. What used to cost in the region of £50 for a removal, became £250+ In my experience, the rats were rarely bothered by them, in that they were not actually painful, and they managed to adapt life around them if they were in places that caused issues with walking (ie mammary tumours). Such rats took a bit more care, as you had to watch out and care for skin abrasions, but I only had to shorten the life of 1 rat with respect to quality of life when the tumour was taking more nutrition than the rat. In all honestly, the look of the tumour probably upset me more than it bothered the rat! I'm hopeful the same theory applies to fish and that, providing your Sanke continues to eat, then that is a good indicator she still has quality of life. I hope she gets the opportunity to enjoy at least one more summer with you
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