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Thread: FMG Bath/Dip Dose ?
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08-08-2020, 08:25 AM #21
hi
thanks
I was only considering dips when i had sick fish but was unable to locate the source.
yes i am now sure it is costia.
will do another large water change today to try and reduce my salt to has low has i can am thinking it would be probably reduced to 0.75% and treat tonight with formalin and malachite.
I have formalin at 30% and malachite at 1.5%
in the past i have treated 3 times 5 days apart. you are saying treat 3 times 3 days apart ?
I have orfe , goldfish and young fish has well.
I was considering taking my 12 young fish out and treating them seperately in a QT with a weaker dose ? and treating my main pond with the stronger dose ?
what are your views
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08-08-2020, 10:11 AM #22
I would treat 3 days apart. If you remove any fish it would be pointless treating with a reduced strength dose IMO..Maybe partially cover the pond as well so as to keep the dose potent.
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08-08-2020, 10:21 AM #23
What is your salt level, you said reduce it to 0.75%? I’m a big fan of salt as a tonic or as a dip but I would treat a pond at around 0.6%, think balanced for osmosis on koi is 0.9%? Are you sure you haven’t put too much salt in and that’s causing issues?
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08-08-2020, 10:45 AM #24
hi
its less than 0.1%
at the max i put it up to 0.3% not 3%
if that makes sense
i think previously i should have said 0.075% not 0.75Last edited by climbalot2004; 08-08-2020 at 11:39 AM.
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08-08-2020, 11:38 AM #25
hi
i didn't realise have put that many different treatments in the pond since April for different things i forgot i had done a formalin malachite treatment 30% and 1.5%, 3 doses 5 days apart at the end of June/ beginning of July which just finished 3 weeks ago for chilodonella, but it obviously should have taken care of the costia too and it hasn't.
will have to either do a stronger dose has Freddyboy suggests or a normal dose 3 days apart has Big H suggests.
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08-08-2020, 11:46 AM #26
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08-08-2020, 12:18 PM #27
That makes sense. I think I’ve seen something on here about how many water changes it takes to reduce salt levels so if you haven’t got a salt meter might be worth reading? Possibly if salt is high I think acriflavine will work with it on some parasites but either someone else can confirm or a bit of research for you?Last edited by Djstiles999; 08-08-2020 at 01:11 PM.
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08-08-2020, 12:32 PM #28
And definately Uv off but you probably know that
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08-08-2020, 01:16 PM #29
hi yes
acriflavin works better with salt
its just formalin which is the big no no.
but thanks have got a salt meter. i use salt in pond in spring if fish are sick and temp too low for chemicals. then i can use acriflavin when temp rises high enough but always have to take it out again before using formalin and malachite mix which is a pain.
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08-08-2020, 01:23 PM #30
hi big h
yes thanks
have turned the UV off now just in case i forget later.
am in process of doing water change to remove salt.
i was thinking of putting in formalin and malachite mix in later when pond is 10%- 15% short and then my hose takes about 2 hours to bring it up to the 5000gal. then was thinking of dosing same on day 4 and 7 like you said which is only a day quicker than i normally do but i think its the right thing to do . i did my usual dose just a few weeks ago and it wasn't effective.Last edited by climbalot2004; 08-08-2020 at 01:30 PM.
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08-08-2020, 01:46 PM #31
Hi All,
When mixed with MG, Formalin and salt is fine. I am not the right person to explain any scientific reasons for this, however I have used FMG when salt has been at .5% and the fish were fine - the parasites were not tho Formalin and salt without the MG is not the same tho....
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08-08-2020, 03:48 PM #32
hi gaz
am just in process of removing salt from water before dosing with fmg for costia.
there is not a great deal of salt left in .08%. ie less than 0.1%
are you saying i should be ok ?
thanks
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08-08-2020, 05:08 PM #33Hobby and business gone but when you’re hooked you’re hooked.
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08-08-2020, 07:41 PM #34
hi Gaz
thats great thanks. its a lot less than 0.1% now but thats a weight off my mind. something less to worry about.
many thanks
hi can i just ask you about your salt. i have always thought .1% was a calming effect. .2% was for recovery and .3% was to help sick fish fight off parasites.
do you use salt higher than .3% and whats your experience been if you dont mind me askingLast edited by climbalot2004; 08-08-2020 at 07:46 PM.
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09-08-2020, 04:41 PM #35
Hi mate, it really depends on what I am facing, sleeping sickness, Nitrite spike, stress, parasites etc... as to what (if any) salt levels I use in pond. Salt should always be a temporary measure whatever the dose. Personally I would not dose a pond above .6 and only once have I ever done that -more usually .3%
Bathing for up to 10mins can be a lot stronger dose - raised scales etc... usually 3%
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