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    No quarantine facilities. Do I dip?

    Hello all,

    I need to move a Sanke from my fathers pond into mine. Unfortunately I do not have any quarantine facilities.

    Would a dip with something kill any pathogens before putting it in my pond?

    If so, what would be best to dip with?

    Or if I scrape it prior to introduction and find nothing, do I trust it would be ok?

    Any thoughts or advice would be appreciated.

    Thanks in advance,

    Andy



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    Hi Andy,

    In light of what I'm experiencing with my own pond at the moment (FMG & PP Resistant Costia! What Treatment Now?), the best advice I can offer is do all you can to prevent bringing any infection or parasites into your pond. The stress, expense and time you risk is just not worth it!

    As for what that prevention may be is another question which I'm not experienced enough to answer, though quarantine for several months seems to be the only truly effective way. I, like you, do not have such facilities, nor the ability to set it up, so I guess a salt dip may be one option for you. To that end I have attached a scan of Japan Koi Imports salt dip protocol in the hope this may be helpful. There appears to be many variations of salt dips out there, so bear in mind this is only one. I have used it myself successfully on Orfe when I was treating the pond with chemicals that they could not tolerate, before I was koi only. Any dip is stressful for the fish, especially on top of being transported and rehomed.

    As for scraping, that's a great idea, but Costia in particular are very easy to miss and you'll need to be viewing at around 400x to see them clearly. One thing I can say from experience though, is that if you need to sedate the fish slightly to get good scrapes from lots of areas (essential if you want to rule out Costia), then do so because my Costia was not in any way phased by being in AquaSed as you can see from
    these videos of my baby Showa that had to be euthanized due to Costia infestation recently.

    Hope this helps a little,
    Wendy


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    Thanks for the info.

    Much appreciated.

    Andy

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    have you the space for a temp solution, like a pool?
    the slow pond build thread

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    I do, so it is a possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andy m View Post
    I do, so it is a possibility.
    That's an excellent suggestion from Bowsaw - don't know why I didn't think of it, considering this is where my 9 fish have been living since 1st May, thanks to my parasite joys and consequential pond strip down

    It's not exactly what I would call 'quarantine', as I have no mature filter in it, only 3 airstones on an 80LPM pump and and old Hozelock Easyclear 9000 with a broken UV. I've been having to do daily water changes to keep the water params safe (not easy and I've now started to use Seachem Safe to help), but I've put FMG, PP and Alparex through this pool and it's not discoloured. The green water in this photo is the remnants from an Alparex treatment the day before. To be honest, if it wasn't for the amount of chemicals I've put through this pool, the Easyclear would have probably had a chance to start doing some semblance of bio filtering, but it's worked very well at the mechanical side regardless.

    I've used two of my pond net covers to keep them safe, and over this I lay 3 sheets of polycarb at night to stabilise temps - if the winds are not too high! I have used spare copings to hold the poly down, but the last two nights it was blowing a gale so I couldn't risk them being blown off.

    Intex Pool.JPG

    This is the metal framed Intex Small Family Pool 260 x 160 x 65cm purchased from Amazon last June for £53.94. It's now selling for £164.50 + P&P (gotta love lockdown price rises!) so make sure you shop around for the best price for whatever you buy as I'm guessing all these sorts of things have gone through the roof.

    This is actually a really ideal solution for a pop up home. It packs down well for storage and the UK customer support is very good. My first one had a pin prick in the liner and they sent me a replacement next day. The two outlets on the side are ideal when attached to a flat hose with a jubilee clip for either setting up a trickle in (using the top one), or doing quick water changes (the lower one - as I'm doing in the pics below). When filled to the height of the trickle in, it's about 1,680L.

    I use a Gardena Water Smart Meter on my hose for top ups to gauge accurate water volumes. This is very well priced at World of Watering at £19.95. I bought two and got free delivery. I monitor the temps using these cheapo Digital Aquarium Thermometers that are surprisingly accurate when compared to my TDS meter that also measure temps, but I always use two to ensure they are giving the same readings, and if they vary I add a third! But to be honest, I've used these for several years and they've held up really well, left outside in a zip lock bag - I haven't even needed to change the batteries in any of them!

    Intex Outlets.JPG

    Gardena Water Meter & Thermometers.JPG

    Intex Pool 02.JPG

    Hope this is gives you some food for thought. It would certainly allow you to home your dad's Sanke for a good few weeks in the current weather to allow observation and some treatments if you find anything on your scrapes.
    11,440L Raised Pond, BD, Oase ProfiClear, Bitron 55W, 2x10k Aquaforte Varios, Skimmer to Waterblade

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    Hello,

    Thank you for the reply and the suggestions.

    I think that is a route that is well worth exploring.

    Kind regards

    Andy.

    Btw I now have garden envy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koiz View Post
    That's an excellent suggestion from Bowsaw - don't know why I didn't think of it, considering this is where my 9 fish have been living since 1st May, thanks to my parasite joys and consequential pond strip down

    It's not exactly what I would call 'quarantine', as I have no mature filter in it, only 3 airstones on an 80LPM pump and and old Hozelock Easyclear 9000 with a broken UV. I've been having to do daily water changes to keep the water params safe (not easy and I've now started to use Seachem Safe to help), but I've put FMG, PP and Alparex through this pool and it's not discoloured. The green water in this photo is the remnants from an Alparex treatment the day before. To be honest, if it wasn't for the amount of chemicals I've put through this pool, the Easyclear would have probably had a chance to start doing some semblance of bio filtering, but it's worked very well at the mechanical side regardless.

    I've used two of my pond net covers to keep them safe, and over this I lay 3 sheets of polycarb at night to stabilise temps - if the winds are not too high! I have used spare copings to hold the poly down, but the last two nights it was blowing a gale so I couldn't risk them being blown off.

    Intex Pool.JPG

    This is the metal framed Intex Small Family Pool 260 x 160 x 65cm purchased from Amazon last June for £53.94. It's now selling for £164.50 + P&P (gotta love lockdown price rises!) so make sure you shop around for the best price for whatever you buy as I'm guessing all these sorts of things have gone through the roof.

    This is actually a really ideal solution for a pop up home. It packs down well for storage and the UK customer support is very good. My first one had a pin prick in the liner and they sent me a replacement next day. The two outlets on the side are ideal when attached to a flat hose with a jubilee clip for either setting up a trickle in (using the top one), or doing quick water changes (the lower one - as I'm doing in the pics below). When filled to the height of the trickle in, it's about 1,680L.

    I use a Gardena Water Smart Meter on my hose for top ups to gauge accurate water volumes. This is very well priced at World of Watering at £19.95. I bought two and got free delivery. I monitor the temps using these cheapo Digital Aquarium Thermometers that are surprisingly accurate when compared to my TDS meter that also measure temps, but I always use two to ensure they are giving the same readings, and if they vary I add a third! But to be honest, I've used these for several years and they've held up really well, left outside in a zip lock bag - I haven't even needed to change the batteries in any of them!

    Intex Outlets.JPG

    Gardena Water Meter & Thermometers.JPG

    Intex Pool 02.JPG

    Hope this is gives you some food for thought. It would certainly allow you to home your dad's Sanke for a good few weeks in the current weather to allow observation and some treatments if you find anything on your scrapes.
    I love your pond that is very nice


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    Quote Originally Posted by Koiz View Post
    That's an excellent suggestion from Bowsaw - don't know why I didn't think of it, considering this is where my 9 fish have been living since 1st May, thanks to my parasite joys and consequential pond strip down

    It's not exactly what I would call 'quarantine', as I have no mature filter in it, only 3 airstones on an 80LPM pump and and old Hozelock Easyclear 9000 with a broken UV. I've been having to do daily water changes to keep the water params safe (not easy and I've now started to use Seachem Safe to help), but I've put FMG, PP and Alparex through this pool and it's not discoloured. The green water in this photo is the remnants from an Alparex treatment the day before. To be honest, if it wasn't for the amount of chemicals I've put through this pool, the Easyclear would have probably had a chance to start doing some semblance of bio filtering, but it's worked very well at the mechanical side regardless.

    I've used two of my pond net covers to keep them safe, and over this I lay 3 sheets of polycarb at night to stabilise temps - if the winds are not too high! I have used spare copings to hold the poly down, but the last two nights it was blowing a gale so I couldn't risk them being blown off.

    Intex Pool.JPG

    This is the metal framed Intex Small Family Pool 260 x 160 x 65cm purchased from Amazon last June for £53.94. It's now selling for £164.50 + P&P (gotta love lockdown price rises!) so make sure you shop around for the best price for whatever you buy as I'm guessing all these sorts of things have gone through the roof.

    This is actually a really ideal solution for a pop up home. It packs down well for storage and the UK customer support is very good. My first one had a pin prick in the liner and they sent me a replacement next day. The two outlets on the side are ideal when attached to a flat hose with a jubilee clip for either setting up a trickle in (using the top one), or doing quick water changes (the lower one - as I'm doing in the pics below). When filled to the height of the trickle in, it's about 1,680L.

    I use a Gardena Water Smart Meter on my hose for top ups to gauge accurate water volumes. This is very well priced at World of Watering at £19.95. I bought two and got free delivery. I monitor the temps using these cheapo Digital Aquarium Thermometers that are surprisingly accurate when compared to my TDS meter that also measure temps, but I always use two to ensure they are giving the same readings, and if they vary I add a third! But to be honest, I've used these for several years and they've held up really well, left outside in a zip lock bag - I haven't even needed to change the batteries in any of them!

    Intex Outlets.JPG

    Gardena Water Meter & Thermometers.JPG

    Intex Pool 02.JPG

    Hope this is gives you some food for thought. It would certainly allow you to home your dad's Sanke for a good few weeks in the current weather to allow observation and some treatments if you find anything on your scrapes.
    Love the pond. And garden.

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    Agreed. You have a really nice garden and pond. Everything is so neat! Hope everything goes well with the fish and you overcome the parasite problems.

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