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    Quote Originally Posted by john1 View Post
    Hi Rs, could you get them in the garage it would cool them gradually if done in the morning.
    Put 12 into the main pond yesterday and they look so small in there with the big boys but seem to be enjoying it.
    Been thinking about this already. Insurance for both cars only covers if they're garaged overnight. Rang insurer when I was doing kitchen and asked if I could leave 1 on the drive for a few nights (to take delivery of new kitchen), and insurer said cover would be voided. I don't think there's enough space between the cars to put the vat, but I shall have a measure up tomorrow, or possibly go with Steve's idea.....


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    just an idea, what about placing a small bag of ice into one corner, this would slowly bring the water temp down and would not be too sudden due to volume of water and the current temp, ice is relatively cheap, just replace ice once its melted and bag has become temp neutral...... probably take a few days but an option.... do you have any freezer blocks that you use in cool boxes??
    Never thought of this, thanks for the idea it sounds good considering the small vat volume. I have a few ice blocks and it would be a nice easy solution if it works. Will give it a try tomorrow, start with 1 block under the inlet flow and see what it does, then add more as required. If I run out of ice blocks I could use a 2 litre coke bottle filled with frozen water. If I can lower the day time temps then the night time should look after itself.


    I've always done partial water changes by draining 60-70% of water then pouring in buckets of dechlorinated fresh water. The Koi seem to love it.
    But if I drain water then top up with a trickling hose pipe over the course of a day (adding dechlorinator throughout the day) the koi seem to get stressed and I don't understand why, but its the reason I'm a little bit cautious about using this method to bring temp down.

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    Just put them outside in the shade so they dont get big temp changes.
    John

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    That would be ideal John, but I'm worried about theft as pump / filter will be out in the open. If I can get temps down to within 4 degrees then I could put vat outside in morning on the next cool day and vat temp should come down to match the pond by the end of the day. Working from home most days now so this is doable.

    Vat temp first thing this morning at 18C (Pond at 10.5). Put block of ice in, then half hour later went to check on it and it had completely melted! Now put 2 more blocks in and have 2 litre coke bottle in freezer. Presently still at 18C.

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    Could heating the vat outside to control the desent not help I know your worried about robbers tho mate understand that

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    Ice alone wasn't enough and was melting quicker than I could freeze replacements, temp actually went up to just below 19C, but lots of ice combined with trickling in a hose and the temp came down to end the day at 16.5C.

    Meanwhile the pond reached a high of 12.5C and is currently at 11.9C.

    Going to be some work to keep this up but within a few days it should get there.

    Maybe on a forecast hot day where I can get vat outside in a shady area early morning, then do what I've done today, it could be possible to get them within 3 degrees of each other and then put the koi in a bowl and float them on pond.

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    Sorry about photo quality, can't turn pump off.

    46 weeks old, not sure on size but they're bigger than the Nisai Doitsu Ochiba. Would estimate the bigger 3 are in the mid 30's, but will bowl and measure properly when transferring to pond.








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    Nice I can see a big difference like

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    Colours are coming out well Rs,the shiro looks a big guy.
    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS2OOO View Post
    Ice alone wasn't enough and was melting quicker than I could freeze replacements, temp actually went up to just below 19C, but lots of ice combined with trickling in a hose and the temp came down to end the day at 16.5C.

    Meanwhile the pond reached a high of 12.5C and is currently at 11.9C.

    Going to be some work to keep this up but within a few days it should get there.

    Maybe on a forecast hot day where I can get vat outside in a shady area early morning, then do what I've done today, it could be possible to get them within 3 degrees of each other and then put the koi in a bowl and float them on pond.
    Can t you get a bowl with thermometer in the bowl. And using a bucket. Mix the water from pond and vat growon.
    And mix it to say 16c/17 c degrees lol
    I have done this in the past to put an I'll fish in qt. I did it for aj collection. But I used tap water there ST first.
    And it worked
    AJs was about 5 or 6 degree difference
    To my fish temps.
    Or even use tap hot and cold with ST in up to temp you want. Then like you say float them until it equals out in temps.
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    Love them RS. They have come on great
    Nice fish all of them lol

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    Decided today was the day.

    Been trying to temp match since 7am to bring them down from 18C where they'd risen to overnight to the pond temp of 13.5C. Been using loads of ice and gradually adding pond water.

    Sitting by the pond with them floating in a blue bowl since 5pm, pond was already down to13C then, and bowl at 15C.

    But pond is dropping, now at 12.2 and bowl is at 12.6.

    Nearly there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS2OOO View Post
    Decided today was the day.

    Been trying to temp match since 7am to bring them down from 18C where they'd risen to overnight to the pond temp of 13.5C. Been using loads of ice and gradually adding pond water.

    Sitting by the pond with them floating in a blue bowl since 5pm, pond was already down to13C then, and bowl at 15C.

    But pond is dropping, now at 12.2 and bowl is at 12.6.

    Nearly there!

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    Spot on mate glad you got there give them chance to get even bigger now

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    Raising Koi Fry - Development progress & Pictures

    I moved one yesterday. Vat 20 pond 14 I floated a 25l tub with vat water.. monitored temp and added vat water every now and then. Temp was matched slowly across 12 hours. Fish seems happy in his new home.


    Could do them one at a time?

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    Get them in Rs and stop messing about.
    John

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    Finally they're now in the pond.

    Letting them out of the bowl was a real experience, they simply wouldn't leave for around 5 minutes and once 1 took the plunge they slowly followed.

    Whole dynamics of the pond changed, all the existing Koi chasing each other back and forth at full speed, and the babies joining in. Adding them to the pond created instant breeding activity, and now I've got a good idea which Koi are females. The males and females are exactly as I suspected.

    The one strange thing is within 20 minutes of adding the babies there's now a lot of flashing from a few of the existing Koi. Not sure if its part of the excitement or if its confirmation of my suspicion that flukes are still present from last year. But these were Koi I've never seen flash before, and they are now flashing a lot.

    I suspect the smallest baby will struggle getting used to the new environment, really nervous, but the rest were right in there chasing and being chased by the existing Koi, yet when they stop for a break, all 5 group closely together. You can't ever say fish are brainless, they clearly recognise who is who.

    Measurement wise, not quite as big as I hoped, even though they're bigger than my Sansai Kohaku and the Sansai Shusui!

    Exactly 46 weeks old, except for the Nisai Ochiba obviously:

    Orange one = 34cm (just over)
    Shiro = 33cm
    Tancho = 33cm
    Small one = 25cm
    Doitsu Metallic Ochiba = 30cm (just under). Was 27cm when I picked it up at end of Feb.















    Holding fingers crossed now that with all the excitement one doesn't jump out the pond. The small one got cornered a couple of times and did break the surface trying to escape.

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    Glad you got it sorted RS. Big weight of your mind.
    It might be the adding of fish load in parameters lol on the adding of more fish to the pond causing the flashing.
    Love all of them lol

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    Great stuff Rs and they have grown well,like you say this time of year you can find out the boys from the girls.

    How is the Kirin doing any pictures?
    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by john1 View Post
    Great stuff Rs and they have grown well,like you say this time of year you can find out the boys from the girls.

    How is the Kirin doing any pictures?
    Kirin been bottom sitting in the mornings for the last few days. Not seen her flash or anything. Been seeing the big Sanke, the Shiro and the Kirin all bottom sitting in the mornings but they swim about when I'm there and eat ok. All 3 are females.

    A few did this last year and it was flukes. Except for the Showa which I'm sure was clean, I've not added any new fish since treating the pond last year so don't know if flukes or not. Will scrapes when temps rise... Maybe this weekend.

    I think the Kirin is carrying eggs.

    Most recent pic is this one, she's into the 40's now, so around 15-20cm growth since last year.

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    Looking at the babies in the pond, they've settled in really well and eating well.

    It was worth spending all those hours gradually bringing temps down as they are not stressed at all.

    But have a new dilemma.... The orange one which I wanted to move on, looks stunning in the pond. Really catches your eye. I don't know what the white fry from Showa spawnings are mean to be as they are usually culled, but she looks exactly like a Kohaku in the pond.

    Will try and get a group photo over the weekend.

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