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    Seasonal feeding

    I am planning on trying some different foods for next season and wondered if other people have different food types for periods. I am not talking about wheatgerm in winter and a summer mix in the warmer seasons, I mean the actual food contents for a specific purpose. So for example, I am thinking of something along the lines of this:

    Aquasource with garlic in winter when I feed, and up to about 18 degrees
    A colour enhancing food for a few weeks over 18 degrees and some OSW I have left
    Once over 22 degrees, Saki Hikari growth

    Come Autumn time reverse the cycle:

    As temperature drops under 22 go back to OSW
    Feed a whitening enhancing food like Shogun for 3 weeks as the temperature drops until it gets to about 18
    Below 18 go back to the Aqua source.

    Whilst this may sound a bit drastic and expensive, if the food has a good shelf life and is stored correctly it would probably last a few years and offer all the variations your koi could need for the best possible outcome. I may be completely wrong though, hence why I am asking here!



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    Could be good to watch like .

    Dose any one use maggots for a treat ??

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    it's sound reasoning,
    particularly avoiding feeding high protein food until over 22C

    i'd buy smaller packets though, if you're going to have a lot left over...
    once opened, i find though the food looks the same, and isn't 'bad'
    even if it is sealed back up again, it somehow goes 'off' after a few months, and the fish stop eating it as ferociously.

    might be some of the ingredients degrading over time,
    but i always buy fresh in the spring and bin whats left of the the old stuff...

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    I haven't used maggots as a treat but I know they crap out the skins and release ammonia in the water.

    Dave my OSW is from last year and they still enjoy it! I would get 5k bags of each food which seems to be the smallest amount you can get in Shogun for example. I got through 5k of top koi this summer so I know it would be used up it's just the other foods but I could seal them with bag pegs or in bucket maybe? I would have to figure out what colour enhancing food to use as well and get 1k of that ideally as will only be fed for a few weeks of the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samp09 View Post
    I haven't used maggots as a treat but I know they crap out the skins and release ammonia in the water.

    Dave my OSW is from last year and they still enjoy it! I would get 5k bags of each food which seems to be the smallest amount you can get in Shogun for example. I got through 5k of top koi this summer so I know it would be used up it's just the other foods but I could seal them with bag pegs or in bucket maybe? I would have to figure out what colour enhancing food to use as well and get 1k of that ideally as will only be fed for a few weeks of the year.
    I use these buckets mate seem canny air tight https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Plastic-B...-127635-2958-0

    I'll not be using maggots then

    Like your thinking about could be temped to pinch your idea like .

    But I wanna push on the natural foods next season aswell fruits, vegs , fish ect didn't really give them much in the way of variation this year

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    I use these buckets mate seem canny air tight https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Plastic-B...-127635-2958-0

    I'll not be using maggots then

    Like your thinking about could be temped to pinch your idea like .

    But I wanna push on the natural foods next season aswell fruits, vegs , fish ect didn't really give them much in the way of variation this year

    I will have a look cheers mate! I will try them with steak and chips when they behave themselves I have stuck lettuce in before but they just ignored it! They loved the bread as well, I would frisbee a slice of bread into the pond and the dogs would chase it then stand on their back paws trying to see into the pond to get it haha. Other than that it was mussels and boilies!

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    Quote Originally Posted by samp09 View Post
    I haven't used maggots as a treat but I know they crap out the skins and release ammonia in the water.

    Dave my OSW is from last year and they still enjoy it! I would get 5k bags of each food which seems to be the smallest amount you can get in Shogun for example. I got through 5k of top koi this summer so I know it would be used up it's just the other foods but I could seal them with bag pegs or in bucket maybe? I would have to figure out what colour enhancing food to use as well and get 1k of that ideally as will only be fed for a few weeks of the year.
    i keep mine in black plastic buckets with air tight lids,
    but i've always done the same with carp bait, buy fresh every season.

    to be fair though, i don't throw much away. and mix the last of the jap mix with the wheat germ for winter to use it up, and get the fish feeding on it.
    as there are a couple who always swerve the wheatgerm when there is jap mix to be had...


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    See that's interesting with the fresh bait, I brought some off some bloke on facebook about 4 years ago now, £60 for 25k of boilies. I still have about 5k of it left in the freezer, and I had my best fish on it in winter time. I only use it in winter as its a nut base mix but crazy I had all my biggest winter fish using it as crumb etc! Summer is a different story though, fresh stuff in spring and through the summer as I use a lot more!

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    Quote Originally Posted by samp09 View Post
    See that's interesting with the fresh bait, I brought some off some bloke on facebook about 4 years ago now, £60 for 25k of boilies. I still have about 5k of it left in the freezer, and I had my best fish on it in winter time. I only use it in winter as its a nut base mix but crazy I had all my biggest winter fish using it as crumb etc! Summer is a different story though, fresh stuff in spring and through the summer as I use a lot more!
    we used to get boilies pretty cheap in bulk as the syndicate was sponsored...
    10kg in boiles plus 10kg of pellet on a weekend was the norm in late spring and early autumn.
    we used to get mainline frozen for £4 a kilo in 10kg bags...

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    Yeah thats really cheap! I get my bait for £6 a kilo now. Some lakes people look at you weird using big amounts of boilie, but had 2 bites off 8k of hemp and 6k of boilie, one 21.4 the other 41.2, they certainly get through it in the right situation.

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    I tried changing for colour etc but in the end returned to Medikoi. The approach I’ll take this Season is different.

    Medikoi wheatgerm and Medikoi health as the staple then boost. The fish like spriulina but getting straight flakes to mix is difficult. I’ll now boost protein with freshwater shrimp. Given they go off quick after opening itMs better to buy small packs.
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    I wonder if koi like turkey letfovers.. or Brussels spouts.. perhaps Xmas cake..
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    Quote Originally Posted by NickK-UK View Post
    I wonder if koi like turkey letfovers.. or Brussels spouts.. perhaps Xmas cake..
    Might end up swimming on their sides if ya add the brandy sauce lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    Might end up swimming on their sides if ya add the brandy sauce lol
    Maybe that's the secret to getting scrapes easy

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    Quote Originally Posted by samp09 View Post
    Maybe that's the secret to getting scrapes easy
    Sure john1 will have enough spare whisky to have a go lol

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    hi all
    just trying to decide what feeding regime to go for come spring time. fish grew well last year on coppens staring with wheatgerm then onto osw then growth and back to wheatgerm. treats were mealworms and bread which i think i will stick too.
    however looking for some fishing bait the guy i get my mealworm from sells blood worm pellets but they are the sinking type.
    does anyone feed bloodworm pellets to their koi i think ive read where its supposed to help improve colour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rolo View Post
    hi all
    just trying to decide what feeding regime to go for come spring time. fish grew well last year on coppens staring with wheatgerm then onto osw then growth and back to wheatgerm. treats were mealworms and bread which i think i will stick too.
    however looking for some fishing bait the guy i get my mealworm from sells blood worm pellets but they are the sinking type.
    does anyone feed bloodworm pellets to their koi i think ive read where its supposed to help improve colour.
    keith
    There's a maximum amount of protein at about 37% IIRC that koi will actually make use of.

    Koi will eat from the bottom - they route around in the dark so don't be afraid of using that but feeding at night may mean they're more active before the water flow moves the food to the bottom drain.
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    Hi

    Agree we had a problem with the carp in our pond came out in sores - the EA said someone was feeding large amounts of trout pellets and when we banned trout pellets the fish healed and it hasn't happened again - the trout pellets are too in oil and protein for the carp to handle in large volumes

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    I feed mine some bloodworm pellets occasionally and they hoover them right up. You can get frozen bloodworm from places like pets at home etc but most koi will swallow a cube whole. I only give them small amounts of carp food which is either boilie or pellets, enough that I see them hoover it all up before I leave the pond. The main reason I fed the bloodworm pellets was because they was sinking and 2.3mm, and I wanted something for them to root about in the silkworm for to try and break it up a bit before the resolve turned up!

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