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    Quen Koi Food

    This year, I switched from qk ultimate mix to qk ultimate koi, and I couldnít be happier. With five new additions to the pond, Iíve been feeding heavier than I have ever before, and unlike the ultimate mix, there is no problem with brown water, the extra k1 I added browned up very quickly, and ammonia/nitrite have been a very stable zero.
    I still have water at 22įC while I finish the last couple of kilos, and with no covers yet, itís starting to get expensive, but as I drop the temperature, I need to start with their winter diet. Last year I mixed some sinking food with the ultimate mix, but the ultimate koiís protein level is too high (49%). The qk Japan mix has a protein level on par with the wheat germ, 38%, and is apparently a mix of sinking and floating. This could be my ideal winter food.
    I know some on here feed jap mix, so can anyone confirm that a percentage sinks?
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    Hi Mark, I to have used the Ultimate mix and even though a very good food it browned the water so switched to the premium growth this year with no problems and excellent growth as they love it and I love the price.

    Going to your question Mark,I have used Japmix in the past and yes it does have some slow sinking in it.
    Not sure of the percentage but some definitely sinks.

    At the moment trying the osw and so far very pleased with it.
    John

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    i'm using the japmix in 3mm and 6mm
    The sinking pellets are easily identifiable by colour and shape,
    but the ratio is low, i'd say less then 5% probably more like 2-3%
    more just to help with the odd shy fish not competing with the others for food i think.
    You don't have to be a pipefitter to keep koi...
    but it helps...

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    i changed from japmix to coppens OSW and im sticking with coppens lol,,,,,,andi

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    Quote Originally Posted by andikoi View Post
    i changed from japmix to coppens OSW and im sticking with coppens lol,,,,,,andi
    i need to get some more food soon as i'm nearly out...

    looking at 15kg of QKoi Japmix or the coppens OSW as they're both from coppens anyway...and about the same price...
    15kg would last all year for me, but would probably look at mixing it with coppens top koi or QKoi ultimate koi in summer.


    the only difference i can see from relevent pictures is the ratio of coppens orange,spirulina, and wheatgerm
    are about equal (33%) each in OSW @ 40% protein and higher Astaxanthin at 27 mg/kg


    OSW
    Quen Koi Food-coppens-osw-jpg




    and the Jap mix looks visually to have a higher ratio of wheatgerm (40%?) with a few (4%?)sinking wheatgerm pellets.
    which would account for the slightly lower protein content @ 38% and lower Astaxanthin at 9mg/kg


    JAPAN MIX
    Quen Koi Food-japan-mix-jpg



    QKoi do list a lot of extra vitamins in the japan mix (Vitamins: A IU (IU) 17 300 kg - D3 IU (IU) 2.300 kg E mg / kg 210 - C mg / kg 235 - Dyes: E161j (astaxanthin 9 mg / kg)
    Trace elements E1 mg / kg 79 - E2 mg / kg 5.3 - E3 mg / kg 1.0 E4 mg / kg 5.3 - E5 mg / kg 21 - E6 mg / kg 84)

    than coppens do though,the only one i can find for coppens in vitamin A inclusion....
    does anyone have a complete list of ingredients from the bag of OSW pellets it's self?

    this is all i could find...
    https://static.alltechcoppens.com/as...20190905133554
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    If you're getting Coppens koi food...
    Try Cookes Pet Supplies
    15kg of OSW is £60
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy1671 View Post
    If you're getting Coppens koi food...
    Try Cookes Pet Supplies
    15kg of OSW is £60
    Thanks for the tip,
    That's not a bad price.
    You don't have to be a pipefitter to keep koi...
    but it helps...

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    thats where i get my osw from aswel,,,,,andi

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    Yeah osw from them aswell great

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    osw same here from there as well

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    I will be getting this also once my supply runs out


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    Am waiting for stuffyrat to pop up saying TOLD YOU SO
    Haha

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    still wrestling with which pellets to buy...

    i wanted OSW and top koi to mix in, but 30kg of pellets would be 2 years worth at current feeding rates...

    i also looked at 6mm jap mix i've got and it looks a bit different from stock photo.
    seem to be 4 main different pellets plus the odd 4.5mm sinkers.
    green spirulina, orange, beige wheatgerm, plus a dark brown pellet.... premium growth?
    so might go for a smaller bag of this and maybe add some high protein pellets to it in the summer...


    Japan Mix

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    OSW for comparison
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    sad things to do on a cold winters night...
    counting pellets....

    no idea if this is of any use to anyone but i was mildly curious what ratios were in Jap mix before making my choice
    only did this a couple of times but results were surprisingly similar.

    my reasoning behind this was to use either jap mix or OSW as a year round base mix for variety,
    and then add extra wheatgerm pellets in winter or top koi high protein pellets in summer to alter the protein ratio.
    given the lower level of colour enhancing pellets i could either add these to jap mix, or just get the OSW...

    very roughly on my 2kg tub of 6mm japan mix

    30% 6mm wheatgerm? (beige)
    30% 6mm growth? (brown)
    20% 6mm spirulina? (green)
    20% 6mm orange? (orange lol)
    3% 4.5mm sinking (beige)

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    103 percent. Must be working on a bakers dosen e haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    103 percent. Must be working on a bakers dosen e haha

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    i did say very roughly...
    ...and i usually give everything 110%
    You don't have to be a pipefitter to keep koi...
    but it helps...

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    I used Top Koi on my koi
    I used OSW and Growth on the koi im looking to sell.....I'm currently using 15 kg per month
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy1671 View Post
    I used Top Koi on my koi
    I used OSW and Growth on the koi im looking to sell.....I'm currently using 15 kg per month
    which do you find gives best growth and colour?
    do you feed the Top Koi year round?
    and at what temp?
    i'm running at 19C all winter this year...
    You don't have to be a pipefitter to keep koi...
    but it helps...

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    Quote Originally Posted by davethefish1 View Post
    20% 6mm orange? (orange lol)
    Quen Koi Food ha!

    Thanks for the insight though Quen Koi Food, so do you know how many pellets there are in a 2kg tub Quen Koi FoodQuen Koi Food


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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy1671 View Post
    I used Top Koi on my koi
    I used OSW and Growth on the koi im looking to sell.....I'm currently using 15 kg per month
    Used or use Andy? Just wondering if you found something new? Iím looking forward to increasing my bio capabilityís so I can increase my feeds Quen Koi Food


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