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    Quote Originally Posted by davethefish1 View Post
    if i ever shut my pond down it would be more to do with virtually untreatable parasites and the secondary bacterial infections they cause.

    i was speaking to an old reef keeping mate yesterday who also has a koi pond,
    3ft deep, 2000 gallon, pumped, simply run on an easy pod and diy moving bed.
    has about 30 fish and never has any problems.
    but hasn't bought any new fish for years....
    no new fish = no new resistant parasites = no issues....
    All my parasite problems started back in 2020, when I introduced some new fish, the first in a lot of years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by g mac View Post
    All my parasite problems started back in 2020, when I introduced some new fish, the first in a lot of years.
    agreed
    all this crap about bird droppings and parasites 'magically' getting into a koi pond are rubbish imo...
    they are introduced by new fish plain and simple.

    unless you are 3ft from a natural lake or stream, with ducks or geese jumping backwards and forwards between the lake and your pond...
    and these would be wild strains not disease resistant ones anyway...

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    Quote Originally Posted by g mac View Post
    All my parasite problems started back in 2020, when I introduced some new fish, the first in a lot of years.

    Its very difficult now {I've shut mine down] I know, but a quarantine tank is the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Koi View Post
    Its very difficult now {I've shut mine down] I know, but a quarantine tank is the answer.
    agreed, there is no way to know what has been brought in with newly imported fish.
    so you must fully quarantine yourself.
    if i do ever buy any new fish, and i'm seriously contemplating not.

    they will have to survive a full battery of treatments for everything and scrape clear for 6 months before going in the pond.
    hardest thing to be 100% clear of is gill flukes...
    had them in my pond for over a year before, thought i had them beat only to find a single fluke in a gill biopsy 6 months later...

    it really does beg the question what the hell is the point of dealers even quarantining fish if they get to your pond with parasites...
    is it just for KHV?

    you could do a gill biopsy and DNA analysis to 100% confirm or clear that...
    maybe it's simply just to knock the parasites back enough to sell the fish,
    and the customers are left to deal with the few remaining difficult to treat, resistant parasites?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davethefish1 View Post
    agreed, there is no way to know what has been brought in with newly imported fish.
    so you must fully quarantine yourself.
    if i do ever buy any new fish, and i'm seriously contemplating not.

    they will have to survive a full battery of treatments for everything and scrape clear for 6 months before going in the pond.
    hardest thing to be 100% clear of is gill flukes...
    had them in my pond for over a year before, thought i had them beat only to find a single fluke in a gill biopsy 6 months later...

    it really does beg the question what the hell is the point of dealers even quarantining fish if they get to your pond with parasites...
    is it just for KHV?

    you could do a gill biopsy and DNA analysis to 100% confirm or clear that...
    maybe it's simply just to knock the parasites back enough to sell the fish,
    and the customers are left to deal with the few remaining difficult to treat, resistant parasites?
    I had flukes around 3/4 months ago, bloody nuisance still see one or two fish flash on occasions, but then following day they seem ok, sometimes I see a couple of fish just sitting on the bottom and as soon as there's a bit of action they're up and nosing then a day or so later they are fine, it used to get into my head, but I just go with it now, I don't want to be chasing fish around pond catching them every time I see something, just adds unnecessary stress is my thinking, but I just don't know, I'm just trying to learn as time goes on, I've lost one fish in nearly two years which was totally my fault and I've no intention of repeating that again.

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    Pond at 12.5 7am now at 13.1 but 4, 5o on a night for the next week atleast

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    Temperatures have dropped to 24-26 degrees and the fish are gong mad for food at the moment.

    It won't last as when temperatures fall here its very very abrupt. I will enjoy it whilst its like this though.

    I feel like the 'Penguin' in Batman movies . Stupid Grin but no idea why.

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    Still just over 20 this morning, although saw a lot of flicking and flashing yesterday so time for a scrape. Growth food has run out now as well I think, feeder was nearly empty yesterday but the balance has just arrived so they won't go hungry! Seems the perfect time to do the scrapes as between the food and gives me time to get the treatments done before the temperatures drop too far! would be rude to not measure as well!

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    At 14 this morning fish looking for food but have cut back a fair bit to keep every thing safe and happy

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    My temps also down to 14C this morning.

    A bit shocked because this date over the last 3 years in the old pond were all at 17C.

    The new pond temps have been low all year. Now at the stage where I'm hoping heat loss is from the waterfall and can be controlled, and not being lost through the pond floor/walls.

    Waterfall will go off this weekend, and covers brought with me from old house will be measured and cut to fit this new pond. Suspect there won't be enough polycarb to completely cover, and prices have gone crazy since last buying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS2OOO View Post
    My temps also down to 14C this morning.

    A bit shocked because this date over the last 3 years in the old pond were all at 17C.

    The new pond temps have been low all year. Now at the stage where I'm hoping heat loss is from the waterfall and can be controlled, and not being lost through the pond floor/walls.

    Waterfall will go off this weekend, and covers brought with me from old house will be measured and cut to fit this new pond. Suspect there won't be enough polycarb to completely cover, and prices have gone crazy since last buying.
    The place you got your last ones from are still the cheapest I've come across mate . Must get around to ordering some up . With the price being what it is am just going 10mm and getting the self supporting bar from them aswell

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    Pond temp 16c location Dartford. Suprised at that actually as I had all windows open last night I was baking. Just taken the auto feeder off the pond. And il stop feeding the koi my cats left over food now too The Daily pond temp thread. I suppose il have to go out and get some wheat germ then!


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    Bit depressing temps here too in
    North Essex. Pond was at 17.9 last Thursday evening. Went fishing on the Friday and came back Sunday to find the pond at 14.3! The Daily pond temp thread

    Auto feeder dialled right down to 3 small feeds a day. Will have to get the covers out this weekend sadly. Pond will be covered more than uncovered this year I recon.


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    I'm only maintaining 20 with the heater for a few hours a day, been covered all day every day for a little while now which has managed to keep me around 20 without the heater but the last 3/4 days being cooler it was creeping down so the heater has been on to get back to about 20.5. 20 the next couple of days so should be ok to maintain without the heater at least but will be winding the temp down naturally once the forecast is cold for the foreseeable. Scrapes were all clear so will continue to monitor, it may have been high nitrite as haven't actually done water tests for a few weeks!

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    Pond still around the 21.5 deg mark, pond is boxed in though, not turned ASHP on don't intend to either, but I do have covers made up to span the pond as well, but holding off with putting them in position for now, fish active and feeding well still on 8 feeds a day.

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    about the same here,
    the pond has started slipping down to low end of 22C currently at 21.9C
    but the heater coming on on economy 7 for 7 hours tonight should lift it back over the 22C mark again by morning...

    covers are still off until lights out at 10:30.
    but i might have to start putting them on earlier as the air temperature is dropping qiuckly now after 7:30, as it's dark....

    on the plus side still feeding 300g of growth balance and colour a day

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    14.5 today. Feeding 160/180g of balance sh over 4 feeds a day . Fish are always looking for it

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    Quote Originally Posted by davethefish1 View Post
    about the same here,
    the pond has started slipping down to low end of 22C currently at 21.9C
    but the heater coming on on economy 7 for 7 hours tonight should lift it back over the 22C mark again by morning...

    covers are still off until lights out at 10:30.
    but i might have to start putting them on earlier as the air temperature is dropping qiuckly now after 7:30, as it's dark....

    on the plus side still feeding 300g of growth balance and colour a day

    I'm using an Aqua Forte Feeder, 1st and last feeds are timed to drop pellets for 30 seconds and the 6 other feeds 25 seconds.
    Been meaning to measure on how many grams there are per feed, but has yet I haven't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Koi View Post
    I'm using an Aqua Forte Feeder, 1st and last feeds are timed to drop pellets for 30 seconds and the 6 other feeds 25 seconds.
    Been meaning to measure on how many grams there are per feed, but has yet I haven't.
    all my feeds are by hand.
    i can gauge how much they want at each feed, as it varies day to day.
    some days they will leave food, especially in the morning,
    but are ravenous in the late afternoon and into evening.

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    Stuck the pond covers on this weekend The Daily pond temp thread

    They do make an instant difference though. Built a new frame so theyíre more air tight (apart from gap by skimmer!) this winter to try and retain some more heat. Stable at 15c now. Fish seem happy enough.

    Got some cooler weather coming next week by the looks of it.


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