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    Gaining confidence to feed in single figure temps.

    In my early days of pond fish keeping in the late eighties Winter feeding was something which just didn't happen.
    All the advice (mostly in magazines at the time) warned of the dire consequences of feeding in cold conditions.
    With the rise of the internet the story didn't really change.
    It very much reminded me of car road test write-ups.
    Someone well known does a review then countless others plagiarise to some degree and before you know it one person's opinion appears to be supported by an entire industry unchallenged.
    We find ourselves with an "everybody knows" practice without actually knowing where it comes from.
    Sometime around the new millenium, as my experience grew, I would cautiously feed small amounts in Winter if the fish appeared to be looking for food. For me "looking for food" is when fish are at 45 degrees and nibbling the walls at the water surface - however slowly.
    I was always apprehensive though.
    It wasn't until I stumbled across Manky Sanke's comments reminding us of the oh so simple, yet irrefutable logic of natural behaviour moulded by millenia of natural selection that I finally felt comfortable watching the fish rather than the thermometer.

    So what do I do now?
    I watch the fish in Winter and if they are looking for food I feed them.
    Small amounts of wheatgerm based food.
    The fish have taken food at temps as low as 6C in my in-ground, uninsulated, uncovered pond in which the heating only kicks in a 4.5C.
    It is interesting that they can be looking for food one day and not the next, even if it's slightly warmer.

    Winter feeding is now firmly established in our pond and the new feeding system has made it super easy to control and monitor (https://youtu.be/Cl3vluGy6DE).
    Now it's colder I have swapped out the airlift pump for a smaller one with less flow and luckily the food still makes its way to the fish.
    It's 7.5C in there today and they've had breakfast and are already looking for more (thermometer accuracy checked regularly).


    My DIY ponds from 1988 until present day.
    All can be found here:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukzero View Post
    logic of natural behaviour moulded by millenia of natural selection that I finally felt comfortable watching the fish rather than the thermometer.
    You're talking about the carp that can withstand the low temperatures found in the natural lakes there, aren't you?

    It is a well-known fact that in Nishikigoi breeding such individuals with strong survival instincts appear all the time.

    Survivalist individuals prey on their siblings and grow to enormous size
    Comparison of TOBI and other magnitudes
    Commentary by Adam Byer
    Discarded TOSAI resulting from failure to identify sex
    KOI close to the original species, which would survive in a natural environment


    If your KOI falls into these categories, then what you say is true,
    but you can't equate it with the sophisticated NISHIKIGOI, which would not survive without human intervention, can you?

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    I do intervene.
    It's a closed system so I provide food when they look for it. I agree that selective breeding does tend to reduce overall robustness/resilience but if the fish want food, eat the food and come back for more the next day I feed them.
    I have been Winter feeding in some form for over 20 years.
    With regard to low temperatures, I kept Koi in uninsulated and unheated ponds for nearly 30 years before building in "emergency heating" in my latest pond.
    I am definitely not an expert and I'm not saying to anyone they should feed in Winter or should not bother heating their ponds. I just sometimes share what I've done and why.
    I know I'm not a "proper" Koi enthusiast to some in that I don't keep the pond warm all year, don't give them expensive food or do everything to maximise growth and my Koi tend to be cheaper Israeli examples.
    The only way I "cosset" the fish is by managing the water chemistry very carefully, but this takes very little effort now the system is mature.
    Other than a spate of "nuke-proof" Trichodina outbreaks a couple of years ago I've clearly been very lucky!
    My DIY ponds from 1988 until present day.
    All can be found here:
    https://www.ukzero.com/pond.htm

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    ... I too have learned. I just to watch the window. If they're active, I lift the cover in 'the feeding corner'. If the all the fish appear they get a proper feed. If it's just the usual suspects appearing (chag, karashi and ochiba) they'll get half a feed.

    Usually it's at least 8deg or over when they're hungry, but there doesn't seem to be much rhyme or reason to it other than that. Just seems sometimes they want it, sometimes they don't.
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    I have always fed through winter, pellets down to 8C, live/frozen foods below that.

    When I lift the covers off in Spring, every year without fail someone who hasn't seen them since the previous Autumn will point to at least one koi and say "Wow, that ones grown".

    Most of my Koi, having been purchased as unsexed Tosai or Nisai turn out to be male.

    Ove the last few years I've been actively hunting out confirmed females and whilst I have a few budget ones that never spawned or gave any problems, I then bought a female Kirin as Tosai in 2019 at 23cm. She quickly grew into a huge rugby ball, almost certainly full of eggs but never spawned. Long story short I lost her in 2023 at 69cm and over 5kg. The autopsy confirmed likely cause of death as being excess fat that had blocked the spawning ducts and therefore the release of eggs (although males hadn't been showing any real interest in her so she wasn't actively "trying" to spawn that I know of)

    I determined (without being able to obtain any real expert confirmation) that had I starved her over winter she'd have resorbed the eggs naturally and might still be alive today.

    I now have a Chag with a similar body shape who spawned once shortly after I bought her in 2021, but has been carrying eggs ever since and not spawned again.

    Through fear of a repeat of what happened to the Kirin, I feel I have no choice but to implement a period of fasting, probably from beginning of Jan through to end of Feb.

    I'm not sure how else to approach it - I place spawning brushes in the pond every year but nothing ever happens.

    Was the Kirin a one off? I don't know.

    But speaking to those who have ponds full of large females, they insist that a fasting period is essential.

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