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19-05-2024, 06:55 PM #1
Parasite City or guess what's living in my pond ;-)
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Found these monsters today, what do you reckon?
https://youtu.be/XIGHVcNFyFo?si=1OOrzuviwZltWl5D
https://youtu.be/is3yTuLbh88?si=mDwLY-vOt1Rb6Ujo
Last edited by KiOgon; 19-05-2024 at 07:35 PM. Reason: Videos added
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19-05-2024, 10:36 PM #2
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19-05-2024, 10:58 PM #3
Did you get find them from a scrap?
or just something you found in the pond.Last edited by Martin59; 19-05-2024 at 11:42 PM.
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20-05-2024, 12:07 AM #4
My lad helped me today, bowled another fish, did scrapes and couldn't find anything, then he had a idea, took a bit of K1 micro from the filter and tapped it on a slide, found these from there.
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20-05-2024, 12:08 AM #5Latest: Sansai Budo Goromo Yamabuki, Nisai; ShiroUtsuri OchibaShigure,Tosai; Beni Kikokryu,KinMuji
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20-05-2024, 12:50 AM #6
This kind of microscopic play has nothing to do with KOI keeping.
Of course, natural ponds and lakes also contain a myriad of micro-organisms and parasites.
So we are in the habit of constantly monitoring the behaviour of the KOI itself and any changes to its body surface, and taking counter-measures.
Less than one per cent of us are microscope users.
Most of us have never touched a water quality test kit.
So I think the prevalence of these two actually seems to be the source of a lot of the problems over there.
Because we rarely hear people over there talking about the annual planning and proper execution of the full feeding season, or the emphasis on KOI swimming and behaviour to improve it, which is our top priority on a daily basis.
So even there, before relying on those two tools, you have to look at the KOI itself, as we have been trained to do since we were beginners, and reflect that in our fine-tuning.
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20-05-2024, 01:46 AM #7
I’m sorry but I don’t agree with you, the fact he found this on his filter media i think is very relevant, and he was only asking a question to make sure it wasn’t anything to worry about.
The fact that we use microscopes and test kits in the uk is different to what you do, it doesn’t mean it’s wrong it’s just a different approach to what you’re used to.
I do find some of your comments condescending and to the point of insulting at times.Last edited by Martin59; 20-05-2024 at 02:01 AM.
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20-05-2024, 02:04 PM #8Freddyboy the legend
"we are water keepers first"
Johnathan
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20-05-2024, 03:47 PM #9
Naoki, when someone finds what they suspect may me a Koi life threatening parasite, your postulating re the Japanese way of doing things is of no help at all.
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21-05-2024, 07:09 AM #10
Its a rotifer.Ive looked at media before under a microscope and theres a healthy selection of odd looking creatures cleaning our water as it passes through
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21-05-2024, 08:58 AM #11
It's funny because you only have to watch a few of the koi videos in Japan and you'll see ponds at breeders with fish in that are being treated with PP etc. All these claims about not needing microscopes and treatments yet koi always arrive to dealers riddled with parasites, ask any dealer and they will confirm.
Of course having good water quality is the key to a healthy pond but when your water supply is as poor as it is in the UK it will always be an uphill battle. I agree to the point that healthy koi will carry parasites and be fine so not need treating, but the reality is there is far to many issues out of our control that cause upset in the water biology and allow the parasites to dive in when the fish have a vulnerable period dealing with whatever the upset is.
I have just changed the bio on my filter and now have whitespot as well as finding flukes on a scrape. Unfortunately I have already treated with supaverm on Thursday as the white spot seems to be causing a lot more stress than the flukes but have done a big water change yesterday of about 25% and will do a smaller one today then probably treat with FMG today or tomorrow.
Following Naoki's advice I would just do nothing and let the fish continue to bash themselves till they split open and then get a lovely bacterial infection and die. Sounds like a great plan, sound advice that!
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21-05-2024, 10:46 AM #12Latest: Sansai Budo Goromo Yamabuki, Nisai; ShiroUtsuri OchibaShigure,Tosai; Beni Kikokryu,KinMuji
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21-05-2024, 10:18 PM #13
I have seen a study somewhere that says SV will also kill whitespot.
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22-05-2024, 11:35 AM #14
Hasn't been the case for me as has certainly got worse since the treatment but FMG in now and hopefully will do the job.
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22-05-2024, 11:49 AM #15
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22-05-2024, 01:55 PM #16
Well!
there's a fine selection
cheers Steve.
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22-05-2024, 02:21 PM #17
Parasite City or guess what's living in my pond ;-)
On the theme of weird things found on a scrape. Check this out!
I treated for flukes with Lernex pro a couple weeks ago, but notice some flashing in last couple days. Scraped a couple fish and found 1 fluke, but also this creature. Considerably larger, had 6 legs and long fine hairs. Found another one dead, and the live one weren’t very happy.
Any ideas? Short video
https://youtube.com/shorts/M8ZoU8Vy7Js?feature=shared
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22-05-2024, 02:21 PM #18
And another
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22-05-2024, 05:53 PM #19
Similar to the first shown here? I haven't seen the whole vid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoD1nhsTi9c
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22-05-2024, 07:39 PM #20
Cheers John, useful video
Spoke to a couple koi dealers. They didn’t think it looked like a fish parasite, possibly just part of the normal aquatic life you might find in a pond.
Not sure what it was doing on a scrape mindgoing to treat for flukes again and rescrape next week.
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