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    Pondman

    Any thoughts on these videos? Not so sure about not checking/treating your fish for parasites! Might work for wild fish…

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RRfElPYzIqg


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    Haven't seen the video yet . But just reading the post it's like the ol boys with a glorified puddle massively under filtered never do a water change and all is surviving but that isn't the same as thriving !!!

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    he basically sits in a van and contradicts everything we do and believe in.

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    However, is he right?

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    If he's right 90% of us are wrong. but everyone to their own opinion.

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    Pondman

    Not sure I agree with a lot he is saying.

    Seems like it could work in a very large natural style pond with a few hardy fish, but not a modern koi pond.

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    Or are 90% consumed by what the equipment manufacturer's tell you, what you need? I appreciate, each to their own however what makes his previous statements incorrect? Surely if he was wrong he wouldn't have a business to maintain, let alone, others less informed, 'ponds' - or maybe that's the key.. I'm no way a fan boy of him but something must be working for the chap.. Is he not trying to remove some of the pretentiousness from this hobby, in the hope of encouraging more into it ..

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    i don't think very much of him, it's just his opinion... and opinions are like arseholes...everyone's got one
    having plants in a koi pond isn't going to save them from parasites, it's not going to hurt but it's not going to prevent it.

    for every 'princess' koi death this winter....
    there will be a thousand stunted, bent back, disfigured, koi that die horrible deaths this winter due to neglect, inadequate filtration, underfeeding, and freezing in a shallow garden pond.

    if you just want a simple small garden pond thats fine, just put goldfish in it and have done.
    the only way you can keep koi with relatively little care is in a well established lake.... basically a mud pond...
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    Define koi keeping please..

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    Quote Originally Posted by rolo View Post
    he basically sits in a van and contradicts everything we do and believe in.

    keith
    Pretty much spot on.

    You can keep koi in reasonable size natural ponds, and reasonable size concrete ponds.
    With £30 diy filters or £3,000 filters.
    But some of the garbage he spouts is plain stupid.

    Like don't buy a microscope, don't scrape fish, don't dig a koi pond over 4ft deep, Don't ever heat a koi pond,
    Don't ever take any koi dealers advise, don't listen to anyone on koi forums, they don't know anything and just copy information they read online but have no knowledge...to name but a few...
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    I hope you've not overlooked the DIY auto sieve cleaner..!

    That aside, if it encourages people into the hobby, is it really a bad thing? Give it 3 years and you could be making £54k should anyone wish to commit to his franchise opportunity..

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    Hi all,
    I’m so pleased that someone has had the courage to talk about Pondman on this forum. I started watching his videos a while back and I must say some of what he says really resonates with me and my experiences of koi keeping. His approach does feel logical and it’s easy to see how marketing of the big companies has skewed our thinking over time. Forums can be a bit of an echo chamber and I think it’s good to listen to other opinions. I like his Dad’s DIY pond set-up - very clever.
    Anecdotally, having struggled massively with parasites for 2 years I decided this year to add plants and stop scraping the fish as regularly (only had one out this year). The fish (and I) seem happier than ever and I have saved a lot of time and money.
    Still lots to learn but happy to have discovered ‘Pondman’.
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    Are you the 10% within this forum I wonder?

    Personally, I've sat quietly within, for years, reading and learning. Partly because I feel like a fraud with what I read. I inherited a pond when i moved house. I knew nothing about koi. In fact all of the electrics were turned off for about 8 months before i move in as the property was vacant. I didn't realise I even had fish within it, as the water was filthy. It was only when i came to drain it that i realised it was stocked. Long story short is, I topped up and powered up the multi bay that was attached.

    Over time, I've revamped the raised pond. Rebuilt 10' x 5' however only 3.5' deep, using sleepers, not concrete blocks. No rebar reinforcement. Dropped in a liner, not fiberglassed. Removed the bottom drain and went pump fed. I don't have a drum or a moving bed. No Momotaro with BHM or any mountain tree. None of my fish are certificated neither. I don't even heat, however I do have a polycarb cover, mainly to keep the pigeons out of it. Not even a window. I also hand feed instead of using an auto feeder. So I don't see my pond as modern, or the mud pond as it once was.

    I lost fish, probably through ignorance initially, given what they were once living in. However not even we live forever. I think the new term is, sacrificial these days. During the summer, I drop in a floating basket with watercress, another with horsetail as I like the look and pop of a contrasting colour. My water is 'good' and rarely do I add anything other than ST when doing water changes, as I don't have a big blue or a 3 stage. Nor a blue lab guardian or Hanna testers. Just a simple API kit.

    This season, I wanted to get serious about the hobby. I bought a second hand scope, which has remained in it's box since it arrived, after it's initial delivery inspection. Bought lots of treatment from my local dealer, early spring. Still unused and maybe will be out of date when/if i need them (hopefully). Refreshed all of my stock with 2-3in tosai fish. Changed my feed to Saki as I found that the Queni stuff I previously used, stained everything. My diy bakki is still to be constructed. Added an air bar to aid water movement rather than oxygenate. Although I'm sure that it helped when my temps went above 24 degrees. I've had zero problems, with what I'd call, growth. I'm not looking to produce a jumbo. As I get older I hope for the fish to grow with me and my experiences. This winter I'm tempted to use Virkon or Envirex, only because I'm advised to do so, by the masses. Perhaps Paula over in Lincolnshire can advise further should I be able, to call her..

    Sadly I find this forum pretentious. A somewhat 'boys club' with the same few names expressing their own opinions as to what is betterer, with the exception of MS. Some times it reads more like a chat room amongst friends. However I guess that's my own issue. Personally I find the likes of Facemuck groups more favourable, despite hating that media forum, as that comes across as more 'grounded' as I suspect many of them built ponds through the pandemic, without using the obligatory 4" pressure pipe.

    Pondman has his place. Perhaps 'not' within here though. If he didn't he wouldn't have a business, or the following he has amassed on YT. We are all experts. However there's no right or wrong, just a difference of opinion. Hence how I feel a fraud, as I appear to have a thriving pond, without all of the bells and whistles that I'm told that I need. This is why I asked earlier in the above conversation, define koi keeping...

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    You have to say, he's very Good for discussions !.Some of what he says makes sense, some is utterly BS feg filters do remove nitrates and phosphates. I've had a pond in the past with large koi and plants and I don't now!. As for stocking levels it's all well and good saying stay under stocked, they grow quickly. Not to mention dealer visiting.
    NO mention of water testing, changes and KH.
    I suppose all well and good in a natural pond, but then that's not natural, koi are in know way natural being a product of in breading with the problems that entails.
    Rant over.

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    Some of it makes sense , but I cant help but think that a lot of his statements are intended to be controversial in order to create more interest in his channel . Not everything is as black or white as he makes out and every pond is different . As Dave said , we`ve all got opinions , but it doesn`t automatically make you an expert . In my (non-expert) opinion , telling people not to scrape for parasites is bad advice !
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    Out of interest, does anyone scrape a fish as part of a routine, rather than when a fish is showing symptoms?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 118 View Post
    Out of interest, does anyone scrape a fish as part of a routine, rather than when a fish is showing symptoms?
    Personally , I prefer to leave the fish alone ,as much as possible . No point in stressing the fish unnecessarily .
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    I’ve kept koi for years, have had lots of different filters and a fair few ponds.
    always getting bigger!
    if the pond is old (mature) I feel it’s probably more bullet proof and will look after its self to a big degree.
    you probably know the habits of your koi, and also what’s normal for the pond in general.

    I don’t treat my koi unless I see somethings wrong, as a result of a scrap. I don’t test every week either and when I do generally KH and PH. Beginning of the year other parameters more.
    I do automate my pond as much as possible as I’m not around all the time, I guess that’s a personal choice, and I guess market does influence us all in our choice.

    I guess what I’m trying to say is, some of what he’s saying is probably true, but the higher grade your koi the less hardy they will be, you do need to look at parameters and scrap, or one day you will have a lot of self made problems. I haven’t watch pondman, may take a look.

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    I have watched a few of Pondmans videos and some of his remarks I agree on but not all.
    I dont agree with being told you should be doing this or that as in my opinion no one knows 100 % what you should be doing with your koi.

    I do thoroughly agree that we pester our koi too much with catching them up to measure or scrape to see if anything is going on.
    Ok,if the koi is showing signs of a problem then I will investigate but most of the time I will sit on my hands and observe.

    It's good to hear folk on here getting it off their chest as it is a forum for discussion and voicing their opinion and they are entitled to do so.

    Going back to what do you do for your koi,well I only test for kh as I have a supply and lot of rain problem so need to keep on top of it.
    I dont test my pond for anything else unless the koi show symptom signs,and I dont do water changes though I do top up if needed.

    My shower has been removed and just have a bio with no plastic media and a drum.

    Pond man is running a business which must be successful or he wouldn't have any customers and he has his own opinions right or wrong.
    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by john1 View Post
    I have watched a few of Pondmans videos and some of his remarks I agree on but not all.
    I dont agree with being told you should be doing this or that as in my opinion no one knows 100 % what you should be doing with your koi.

    I do thoroughly agree that we pester our koi too much with catching them up to measure or scrape to see if anything is going on.
    Ok,if the koi is showing signs of a problem then I will investigate but most of the time I will sit on my hands and observe.

    It's good to hear folk on here getting it off their chest as it is a forum for discussion and voicing their opinion and they are entitled to do so.

    Going back to what do you do for your koi,well I only test for kh as I have a supply and lot of rain problem so need to keep on top of it.
    I dont test my pond for anything else unless the koi show symptom signs,and I dont do water changes though I do top up if needed.

    My shower has been removed and just have a bio with no plastic media and a drum.

    Pond man is running a business which must be successful or he wouldn't have any customers and he has his own opinions right or wrong.
    Spot on , John .

    The thing that annoys me with him is that he talks as if his methods are the only way to achieve success and that everyone else is wrong . If you speak to a REAL expert like Syd or Paula Reynolds you get a more balanced opinion , backed up by a huge ammount of knowledge and research . I guess they`re not trying to be contraversial , just to get more hits on a youtube channel , though !
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