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    Japanese Saki Hikari Prices

    I know the current import prices kill the retail, (though the UK is due to join the pacific trading bloc including japan next year )

    but it still stings to see 10kg of Hikari Wheatgerm or Hikari Staple for 19
    and 15kgs of Balance for 58...





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    Quote Originally Posted by davethefish1 View Post
    I know the current import prices kill the retail, (though the UK is due to join the pacific trading bloc including japan next year )

    but it still stings to see 10kg of Hikari Wheatgerm or Hikari Staple for 19
    and 15kgs of Balance for 58...


    Thanks for that dave mate !!!! Lol just cause you stubbed ya toe when you seen it dosent mean you have to kick us all in the balls by showing us lol haha Japanese Saki Hikari Prices

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    Thanks for that dave mate !!!! Lol just cause you stubbed ya toe when you seen it dosent mean you have to kick us all in the balls by showing us lol haha Japanese Saki Hikari Prices

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    if we join the pacific trading bloc next year anyone should be able to import Saki Hikari direct from japan with zero import fees
    should mean cheaper imports of koi too...

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/u...e-bloc-in-july

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    Quote Originally Posted by davethefish1 View Post
    if we join the pacific trading bloc next year anyone should be able to import Saki Hikari direct from japan with zero import fees
    should mean cheaper imports of koi too...

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/u...e-bloc-in-july
    Let's hope so
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    Quote Originally Posted by g mac View Post
    Let's hope so
    as long as they don't use it as an excuse to try and copy the lunatic leftwing policies of California

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    Got to be done, I know Saki is great food but the prices are extortionate for me.
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    In Japan, an American product called NIJIKAWA is said to be gradually gaining market share. They are supplied by the world's largest fishmeal manufacturer in Canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki Atsumi View Post
    In Japan, an American product called NIJIKAWA is said to be gradually gaining market share. They are supplied by the world's largest fishmeal manufacturer in Canada.
    certainly ain't cheap like saki
    237 for 20kg sack sinking growth in the usa
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/153074808875

    and the nutritional data is almost identcal to saki growth, 45% protein 10% fat(oil)
    but it uses poultry meal in it's main ingredients and that has the wrong amino acid profile for fish.
    not sure about the peas and dried beans but sound like cheap bulk foods?

    https://www.nijikawausa.com/growth

    Fish Meal, Poultry Meal, Wheat, Peas, Dried Beans, Fish Oil, Monocalcium Phosphate, Vitamin Premix (L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate, Vitamin E Supplement, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Riboflavin Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin A Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate), L- Lysine Monohydrochloride, Yeast Extract, Mineral Premix (Calcium Carbonate Flour, Magnesium Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Manganese Sulfate, Sodium Selenite, Copper Sulfate, Calcium Iodate, Cobalt Sulfate), DL-Methionine, L-Threonine, Choline Chloride, Calcium Propionate and Astaxanthin.


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    Lot of additives in there Dave
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    In Japan, high protein and non-oxidised is the minimum requirement in midsummer when the water temperature is above 25C, and is often used even in relatively inexpensive foods. High quality is desirable, but quantity is more important than quality. Instead, we tend to feed high quality diets in early autumn, when the water temperature starts to drop, because this is when subcutaneous fat starts to accumulate and we finish, which is directly related to the production of TSUYA and TERI.

    A survey by a specialist magazine shows the recent oligopoly of KYORIN.
    Breeder’s choice
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    Tip: There is a resistance to reasonable price of food there, and I always felt it was different from Japan (I personally was under the impression that feeding them a luxury food in summer was a waste of money when they would have eaten and digested everything anyway...) The British summer is not as hot as in Japan, so it may make sense to always go for the highest quality food, even if it costs more.
    ※If that's the case, some people believe it's better to heat up in summer.

    Priorities seem to differ depending on whether there is a summer when water temperatures naturally rise above 25C or not.

    Japan.
    1.Establish a seasonally-oriented growth and development schedule.
    2.Emphasis on quantity, with the more food given, the bigger the fish.
    3.In mid-summer, the priority is economic efficiency rather than top quality. (Especially, I was so)
    It is not means Low-quality food is fed. In Japan, there is a range of farely quality food that is not too expensive.

    UK.
    1.Top quality food is preferd, even if it is expensive.
    ※There seems to be a tendency for other requirements to be neglected, as long as good food is provided.
    2.Water temperature cannot be ensured without the use of electric fuel.
    ※Few people are currently fulfilling this.
    3.The emphasis on seasonality is largely ignored by the KOI SHOWS and other thriving trade in mid-summer.
    Last edited by Naoki Atsumi; 19-11-2023 at 11:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki Atsumi View Post
    In Japan, high protein and non-oxidised is the minimum requirement in midsummer when the water temperature is above 25C, and is often used even in relatively inexpensive foods. High quality is desirable, but quantity is more important than quality. Instead, we tend to feed high quality diets in early autumn, when the water temperature starts to drop, because this is when subcutaneous fat starts to accumulate and we finish, which is directly related to the production of TSUYA and TERI.

    A survey by a specialist magazine shows the recent oligopoly of KYORIN.
    Breeders choice
    Hobbyist's choice

    Tip: There is a resistance to reasonable price of food there, and I always felt it was different from Japan (I personally was under the impression that feeding them a luxury food in summer was a waste of money when they would have eaten and digested everything anyway...) The British summer is not as hot as in Japan, so it may make sense to always go for the highest quality food, even if it costs more.
    ※If that's the case, some people believe it's better to heat up in summer.

    Priorities seem to differ depending on whether there is a summer when water temperatures naturally rise above 25C or not.

    Japan.
    1.Establish a seasonally-oriented growth and development schedule.
    2.Emphasis on quantity, with the more food given, the bigger the fish.
    3.In mid-summer, the priority is economic efficiency rather than top quality. (Especially, I was so)
    It is not means Low-quality food is fed. In Japan, there is a range of farely quality food that is not too expensive.

    UK.
    1.Top quality food is preferd, even if it is expensive.
    ※There seems to be a tendency for other requirements to be neglected, as long as good food is provided.
    2.Water temperature cannot be ensured without the use of electric fuel.
    ※Few people are currently fulfilling this.
    3.The emphasis on seasonality i is largely ignored by the KOI SHOW and other thriving trade in mid-summer.
    Naoki, the amount of people that show koi in summer here is minimal, we are talking less than 1% of koi hobbyists. We understand the fact that the ideal time for a show is Autumn, but this is not how the BKKS etc do it here. Perhaps stop the endless bashing of the UK scene and painting everyone with the same brush because less than 1% of people who keep koi put them in a show mid summer. Over 99% of people do feed heavily in summer and don't enter fish into shows so point 3 is redundant. I don't even think any of the regular people who use this forum show their koi, so to keep waffling on about the fact that there's a koi show mid summer on every single post is rather mind numbing and tiring for a lot of people on here. You should take your issue up directly with the people who organise the shows, they all are on Facebook and the websites so perhaps message them and stop mentioning it on here?

    As you love a football reference, imagine a fan of a team that wins 99% of their games and does a great job, but instead of focusing on the fact your team has been brilliant in 99% of games, you choose to moan about the 1% of games they didn't win?
    Last edited by samp09; 19-11-2023 at 06:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samp09 View Post
    Naoki, the amount of people that show koi in summer here is minimal, we are talking less than 1% of koi hobbyists. We understand the fact that the ideal time for a show is Autumn, but this is not how the BKKS etc do it here. Perhaps stop the endless bashing of the UK scene and painting everyone with the same brush because less than 1% of people who keep koi put them in a show mid summer. Over 99% of people do feed heavily in summer and don't enter fish into shows so point 3 is redundant. I don't even think any of the regular people who use this forum show their koi, so to keep waffling on about the fact that there's a koi show mid summer on every single post is rather mind numbing and tiring for a lot of people on here. You should take your issue up directly with the people who organise the shows, they all are on Facebook and the websites so perhaps message them and stop mentioning it on here?

    As you love a football reference, imagine a fan of a team that wins 99% of their games and does a great job, but instead of focusing on the fact your team has been brilliant in 99% of games, you choose to moan about the 1% of games they didn't win?
    I understood the perceptions of the participants on this forum about the shows.

    However, it is good that there are many visitors to the show and that food and other goods are displayed, but often the KOI itself is sold at the venue as if it were a stall at a festival?
    If you buy Koi one after another during the growing season, various problems will inevitably occur.

    It seems that not only show venues, but also other auctions are often held in midsummer. I think they thrive there because there is an agreement between those who want to sell and those who want to buy.

    If the buyers want to concentrate on growing KOIs in the middle of the summer and no one participates, will there come a day when such opportunities no longer exist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki Atsumi View Post
    I understood the perceptions of the participants on this forum about the shows.

    However, it is good that there are many visitors to the show and that food and other goods are displayed, but often the KOI itself is sold at the venue as if it were a stall at a festival?
    If you buy Koi one after another during the growing season, various problems will inevitably occur.

    It seems that not only show venues, but also other auctions are often held in midsummer. I think they thrive there because there is an agreement between those who want to sell and those who want to buy.

    If the buyers want to concentrate on growing KOIs in the middle of the summer and no one participates, will there come a day when such opportunities no longer exist?
    But not everyone wants that, not everyone wants to grow their koi to the extreme and they love to go to a koi show in the summer and purchase a koi. If that's what they want to do then that is entirely up to them. If it doesn't follow the Japanese methods what does it matter? Every country and culture does things their own way, and if people are happy going to a show in summer and having a good time then what's the issue?

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    Hear hear!

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    Quote Originally Posted by davethefish1 View Post
    certainly ain't cheap like saki
    237 for 20kg sack sinking growth in the usa
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/153074808875

    and the nutritional data is almost identcal to saki growth, 45% protein 10% fat(oil)
    but it uses poultry meal in it's main ingredients and that has the wrong amino acid profile for fish.
    not sure about the peas and dried beans but sound like cheap bulk foods?

    https://www.nijikawausa.com/growth

    Fish Meal, Poultry Meal, Wheat, Peas, Dried Beans, Fish Oil, Monocalcium Phosphate, Vitamin Premix (L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate, Vitamin E Supplement, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Riboflavin Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin A Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate), L- Lysine Monohydrochloride, Yeast Extract, Mineral Premix (Calcium Carbonate Flour, Magnesium Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Manganese Sulfate, Sodium Selenite, Copper Sulfate, Calcium Iodate, Cobalt Sulfate), DL-Methionine, L-Threonine, Choline Chloride, Calcium Propionate and Astaxanthin.


    Hi Dave. How do you find the Saki Growth? Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maddog1 View Post
    Hi Dave. How do you find the Saki Growth? Thank you.
    i really like all the saki food,
    i like growth but only during warmer temps in late spring and summer when stable and over 18C.
    the growth is great, but i prefer to cut it with balance and other hikari food when the fish are over yonsai,
    but for getting quick growth on tosai nisai and sansai it's hard to beat
    Last edited by davethefish1; 02-04-2024 at 11:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davethefish1 View Post
    i really like all the saki food,
    i like growth but only during warmer temps in spring when stable and over 18C.
    the growth is great, but i prefer to cut it with balance and other hikari food when the fish are over yonsai,
    but for getting quick growth on tosai nisai and sansai it's hard to beat
    Thank you Dave.

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    If you all say that higher priced food is better food, why hasn't PARACLEAR expanded abroad?
    They have been advertised extensively in Nishikigoi magazines for a couple of years.

    The efficacy is said to include an ingredient that, if fed for more than three weeks, strengthens the body surface and keeps out flukes and other parasites, but how effective is it?
    Since it is a KYORIN product, it is definitely based on SAKIHIKARI, which would sell ridiculously well.

    However, is it possible that they are only selling in the domestic market because the overseas market, which is more likely to believe only in efficacy, is more prone to misunderstandings?

    Well, standard Japanese hobbyists like us still resist the sales strategy of trying to lure them with high prices, and search for ways to get better food at a cheaper price through their own verification..



    Among the many comments, its efficacy and cost-effectiveness are much discussed.

    ※Like him, many people in Japan try to JUMBO Koi themselves, and the amount of food they consume is so tremendous that they don't try to cover all of it with high-end food such as SAKIHIKARI, which is mainstream.

    So if people in the UK had the habit of not just believing the adverts, but also checking the effects for themselves, maybe they would be able to find cheaper but better food?
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