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    thought i'd put the latest running costs up.
    we had that heatwave at the start of the month so the ASHP didn't run at all some of those days.
    even though i was at 25C then.

    currently i'm at 21C now as i'm still uncovered as they've had a substantial 'growing' period at 25C.
    and i want to start building the volume up a bit.

    had a dismal day yesterday non stop rain, and used 4.6kw on eco 7 (21p/kWh),
    but some days it's not running at all and others average at 1-3kw, at 30kw for the whole of september so far £6.30 for the month...

    though i'll probably have to dig out the poly covers once we get into October,
    to put on over night and take off during the day as nights can drop cold then...
    and i'm too tight to waste heat


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    Think that's very good that. Very reasonable and well worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maddog1 View Post
    Think that's very good that. Very reasonable and well worth it.
    i'll see how it performs later in the year, but the intention is not to heat december to the end of march.
    but if it starts to cost too much before then i'll drop the temperature down to a reasonable level before...

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    Not bad at all Dave! I actually got an email today saying my gas/electric bill is falling £25 from next month as I'm not on a fixed rate so can't grumble!

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    Quote Originally Posted by samp09 View Post
    Not bad at all Dave! I actually got an email today saying my gas/electric bill is falling £25 from next month as I'm not on a fixed rate so can't grumble!
    I've thought about coming out of my fixed deal but the economy7 variable rate is still higher than my fixed rate deal...
    Only lasts till May next year so hoping prices fall by then.....
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    still currently at 19C - 20C
    and what a difference the poly covers and ASHP combined are making!

    i've been putting the covers on at night and taking them off during the day, for just over the last week
    and seen a big drop in the ASHP kWh to just 8 kWh in the last week....thats only 24p a day on average!
    admittedly the last few days i've only took the covers off from around 12ish to 6pm as the mornings have been cold still.




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    Wow thats crazy cheap really, I know it's not properly cold yet but 24p a day is nothing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by samp09 View Post
    Wow thats crazy cheap really, I know it's not properly cold yet but 24p a day is nothing!
    i'm trying to find out how much i was using this time last year with the electro heater for comparison,
    iirc it was about £40 a month about £1.50 a day...and i thought that was good

    just found an old post daytime ambient temps on 10th october were 23C
    and using £1.47 a day


    https://www.koiforum.uk/koi-carp-cha...tml#post407956
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    Hi Dave,

    Haven't seen you on here in a while, Hope all is well and you enjoyed a good Christmas.

    What size cable do you have supplying the sockets / spur your ASHP runs off?

    The 17kw ASHP I've bought (buying) has a maximum input draw of 3.2kw.
    I would also like to run a variable pump (200w max, but generally consuming 50-60w) permanently from the same feed.
    And a 600w blower, only to be used when cleaning out the bead.

    So that makes for a maximum draw of 4kw, despite being unrealistic that all 3 items would ever be used at the same time, but to be sure lets say absolute maximum of 4.1kw to be doubly certain.

    The armoured cable I'll need will be no more than 22m long.

    Can I get away with 2.5mm core for this?

    I already have a 2.5mm supply to an outdoor socket that isn't used, so I could connect armoured cable to this.

    If I need a 4mm supply, that's a hell of a lot more work required.

    Most of the online calculators say 2.5mm2 would be adequate, but the odd one says 4mm2 would be required.

    What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by john1 View Post
    Frim is your man for elecs,have his mob no if you want it Steve.
    Cheers John,

    Hope you had a good Christmas mate.

    Yeah I have his number, didn't want to bug him on "work related" stuff during the hols.

    I'm in no rush, have a wall to build first to mount the ASHP on, which is a mammoth task as the wall needs to repalce the existing raised bed retaining wall (that supports backfill for the single skin pond wall) which is leaning badly. Trying to figure a way I can do it without having to empty the pond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS2OOO View Post
    Hi Dave,

    Haven't seen you on here in a while, Hope all is well and you enjoyed a good Christmas.

    What size cable do you have supplying the sockets / spur your ASHP runs off?

    The 17kw ASHP I've bought (buying) has a maximum input draw of 3.2kw.
    I would also like to run a variable pump (200w max, but generally consuming 50-60w) permanently from the same feed.
    And a 600w blower, only to be used when cleaning out the bead.

    So that makes for a maximum draw of 4kw, despite being unrealistic that all 3 items would ever be used at the same time, but to be sure lets say absolute maximum of 4.1kw to be doubly certain.

    The armoured cable I'll need will be no more than 22m long.

    Can I get away with 2.5mm core for this?

    I already have a 2.5mm supply to an outdoor socket that isn't used, so I could connect armoured cable to this.

    If I need a 4mm supply, that's a hell of a lot more work required.

    Most of the online calculators say 2.5mm2 would be adequate, but the odd one says 4mm2 would be required.

    What do you think?
    i must of missed this post mate.
    My 12kw is off my CU in the filterhouse that has a 40 amp supply,
    and the ASHP stated in the installation manual 2.5mm2. with a maximum load around 2.7kw iirc....
    i used 2.5mm2 singles to the energy monitor, then 2.5mm2 singles to the FSU then 2.5mm H07RNF Flex to the unit.
    if it was not so close to the filterhouse i'd probably have done in SWA.

    you need to do some calcs due to the length i can't remember off the top of my head,
    ask Frim he should be able to do the calcs for you depending on amps and length.

    If it's an inverter and well rated for your pond then it practise it's not very likely it will draw anything like the max load.
    my 12kw is only pulling 400w in winter with the lid on, and 800w-1.2kw in summer.
    though i've not seen how many amps its pulling in a defrost cycle...
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    Here are the winter figures for the ASHP for February.
    47.5kWh equates to £9.97p at 0.21p/kWh on my economy tariff.
    or £0.34p a day.
    there was a big spike on the 13th due to me taking the covers off all day,
    just shows the difference in heat loss, there was steam coming off the water like a hot spa



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    Another question for you Dave, or anybody else running a Thermotec.

    There's a display option to "Clean" the ASHP.

    Since mine has been operating pre-filter, I'd like to try the clean option, but don't know what it does or how it works. Nothing mentioned in the manual.

    Any ideas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS2OOO View Post
    Another question for you Dave, or anybody else running a Thermotec.

    There's a display option to "Clean" the ASHP.

    Since mine has been operating pre-filter, I'd like to try the clean option, but don't know what it does or how it works. Nothing mentioned in the manual.

    Any ideas?
    as all these ASHP units are designed for using with swimming pools and not koi ponds.
    i would imagine the 'clean' cycle might be to heat the inverter coil over 55C to kill bacteria ect?

    i wouldn't use mine without being filtered as weed and debris could get trapped in the heat exhanger.
    I don't know if you could rig a reverse flow as it would be pushing the flow switch backwards.
    but if you have isolation valves they are pretty easy to drain and flush as i did with mine when i was swapping my filters over.
    so i didn't have pond water sitting and going stagnant in the pipework.

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    Further investigation, I think the "Clean" option is a mispelling of "Clear".

    All it seems to do is delete the list of previous error codes!

    You make a good point Dave about running unfiltered water through the ASHP. To connect my ASHP up post-filter was going to be a right ball ache and have pump lines running backwards and forwards over the same area, but it does seem daft in hindsight to run it pre-filter (although I do have a skimmer basket pre-ASHP).

    I'll make it a winter project to re-do the pipework as I've decommissioned the shower for winter anyway and need to re-do the base as I built it unnecessarily high above the pond (had good reason at the time, but no longer needed).

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