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    water Lilly growing problem? how to suspend a basket?

    hello
    I have been trying for some years to have water lilies in the pond, I have had a few issues, firstly the koi like to up root them out of the basket so I now place stones in the basket to stop them digging.

    the other problem is the depth? the baskets are around 1.2m to the bottom of the pond and seem to struggle to get leaves up to the top? the pond is also covered with clear laminate pagoda so possibly not getting the light that they need?

    I was thinking of suspending the pots to around 2 foot deep in the water but can't think how to do it? I could use rope from the pagoda above? but this could swing about in the wind?

    or I could put something below them to lift them up? but what? it would need to be sturdy so not to topple over and would need space under neath for the koi to swim/hide? I suppose there are materials that will give off chemicals which should not be in the pond, so would it have to be plastic?



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    How about a floating island with a weight on a string to submerge it

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    How about a floating island with a weight on a string to submerge it

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    I was thinking of planting in a floating pot? but I assume the shoots want to clim in water to the surface, I could be wrong and might be worth a try?

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    So your floating pot you put a line through the bottom to a weight this holds the floating pot submerged but still buoyant. You set the length of line to suit your required depth.

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    Have a search for window flower boxes or similar.

    I have seen some that looked really good for this purpose, but the quality ones that would work with my specific pond were expensive.

    Alternatively there's loads of cheap options like this one that could work with some modifications to extend the depth:

    https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/p/rosenka...B&gclsrc=aw.ds

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    Would love to have lillies in the pond and did have in my last pond.

    What about this method.
    You have a pagoda so you have posts, get some plastic netting and fix to the top of the lilly basket with maybe zip ties.
    Get some narrow plastic air line say 4mm and tie that to the basket and to the pergola posts then lower the basket down as it grows.

    As the leaves grow they go through the netting then open,the air line is very strong and wont hurt the koi.
    John

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    hi
    have a look at moerings floating plant kit. swell uk are doing a deal at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rolo View Post
    hi
    have a look at moerings floating plant kit. swell uk are doing a deal at the moment.

    keith
    That looks pretty good.

    I might get one with the sole reason to stop fledglings drowning in the pond as it should help them get out the water, as long as it doesn't attract more birds to use it as a platform for getting a drink!

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    if and whenever my garden gets dug up and all replaced with new pond plan is too put a couple in just to break up the corners as it will be oblong. think a bit of fishing line tied to basket over the wall to a weight should keep them in place. something tall at the back iris ? and watercress at the front which should cover the front of basket and hang down.
    Hot news Surveyors have just turned up to measure gardens only got 41 properties to do mine is just back garden but 50% are are front and back gardens. full topographical survey that cant be cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rolo View Post
    if and whenever my garden gets dug up and all replaced with new pond plan is too put a couple in just to break up the corners as it will be oblong. think a bit of fishing line tied to basket over the wall to a weight should keep them in place. something tall at the back iris ? and watercress at the front which should cover the front of basket and hang down.
    Hot news Surveyors have just turned up to measure gardens only got 41 properties to do mine is just back garden but 50% are are front and back gardens. full topographical survey that cant be cheap.

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    Keep us informed. We noisy lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    Keep us informed. We noisy lol

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    Noise or nosy, or both?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS2OOO View Post
    Noise or nosy, or both?
    I hate phones lol

    But yeah probably both to be honest

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    I think I am going to put 4 hooks in the roof above the centre of the pond and use galvanised jack chain down to a few inches above the water then change to something else as I assume the metal in the pond could rust and cause problems? so possibly something plastic string or chain? and then suspend the basket about 2 foot into the water.

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    i can't have lilies in my pond for love nor money, the fish eat them completely down to stalks lol!

    on a previous koi pond i had in the 1990's.......wow..... that now sound a really long time ago written down...like the 1890's

    the pond was 6ft deep with a 4ft deep shelf at one end, and i had a massive lily with no problems, the koi (all israeli) didn't touch them....
    but it was in a large builders bucket lifting it up about 12" and it was a vigourous white flowered species eventually covering an area about 4-5ft in diameter....

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    Tried once until the chag completely destroyed it roots up stones every where in the pond the lot !!! Bring our the wildlife pond job done

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    I would love some lilies in my pond but would worry about flanking etc on it, but I have thought about ways to do it to maybe help with nitrate a little.

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    I’d love some lilies but there’s no shelf to place them on - anyone any ideas ? I read somewhere that you can suspend the baskets but worry about my koi or sturgeon catching themselves on it …

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    Lillies look lovely in any pond,but when I had them what annoyed me was when you try to catch them with a net and the koi hide behind the Lilly basket so you cant get them.
    Crafty buggers but very annoying.
    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by john1 View Post
    Lillies look lovely in any pond,but when I had them what annoyed me was when you try to catch them with a net and the koi hide behind the Lilly basket so you cant get them.
    Crafty buggers but very annoying.
    yeah they ain't daft
    two net time then...

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    My koi are difficult enough to catch now - might have to look into this a bit more !!

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