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    More efficient pump suggestions

    Morning All, i am after some more efficient pump suggestions for a gravity fed system, currently run a Oase Aquamax 14000 dry. At 230W - 24hrs a day. Currently paying 33p per Kw (soon to increase again i think) so around 55 a month. As i understand it turning it off for 6hrs or so at night could have some pretty bad adverse effects so i am after some suggestions for a more efficient pump if such exists? Flow etc seems perfect for the pond to be honest so don't really want to go smaller and risk being underpowered



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    Quote Originally Posted by tome View Post
    Morning All, i am after some more efficient pump suggestions for a gravity fed system, currently run a Oase Aquamax 14000 dry. At 230W - 24hrs a day. Currently paying 33p per Kw (soon to increase again i think) so around 55 a month. As i understand it turning it off for 6hrs or so at night could have some pretty bad adverse effects so i am after some suggestions for a more efficient pump if such exists? Flow etc seems perfect for the pond to be honest so don't really want to go smaller and risk being underpowered
    Retro fit a airlift return would be best but if not possible I believe @smartin did a lot of research in to this and I could be wrong but possible came up with pondxper being one of the best

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    Is that right 55 a month just for the pump? Seems high that?


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    Do you have any space for Solar panels? E.g. a pergola over the pond?

    If so might be worth considering a small DIY grid tied inverter. That's what I've done on my pond.

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    What is an airlift return?
    I wish i could say 55 was wrong but unfortunately it is not! 230w @ 0.33p kwh - 24hrs comes to around 55pm

    Solar panels are an interesting one, we have a brick built shed near i could use to put them on, would be interested to know how you have set that up?
    Had a quote for solar on the house but it comes in around 11.5k and that would only prduce about 1/3 of our total required KW.

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    Ahh thanks, it would take a bit of planning but an airlift would be possible i think, i guess i could use an airlift throughout the eve and night then the main pump in the day, that would keep the water moving through the filters but still cut running costs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    I believe @smartin did a lot of research in to this and I could be wrong but possible came up with pondxper being one of the best

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    Yep spot on, the Pondxpert 20k variable pumps came out best, will run down to 6500lph at c.24w.

    Around 75w should give thereabouts 11,000 lph.

    And 20k lph comes in at under 200w.

    These pumps are manufactured by Jebao but this specific spec pump only seems to be available from Pondxpert.

    It is basically what used to be the Jebao TSP20000 which were replaced with the much less efficient TSP-S 22000 pumps that only go down to 12,000 lph at 80w.






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    That pump seems the way to go so i think i will go for that, not as expensive as thought they would be. Current Oase (as robust as it seems to be fair) is only 13,500lph @ 230w. The Pondxpert variable even on max is 19,800lph @ 187w (i can't see me needing it on max much to be honest!!)
    Thanks everyone much appreciated ��

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    Quote Originally Posted by tome View Post
    What is an airlift return?
    I wish i could say 55 was wrong but unfortunately it is not! 230w @ 0.33p kwh - 24hrs comes to around 55pm

    Solar panels are an interesting one, we have a brick built shed near i could use to put them on, would be interested to know how you have set that up?
    Had a quote for solar on the house but it comes in around 11.5k and that would only prduce about 1/3 of our total required KW.
    I got two 365W panels, 2 enphase micro inverters, cabling, a meter and an isolator switch plus some bits for 1k.

    All the power coming out of the micro inverters is standard AC power. I just had to wire that into a spare RCD on the consumer unit in my shed and it feeds power to all the pond equipment, with the mains supply covering any shortfall (or all of it at night).

    If the panels produce more power than the pond uses, it then feeds power back up the armoured cable into the house. And if the panels produce more than the house needs as well then the excess is fed back into the grid. I don't get paid for that as it's a DIY system) - Hence why I only have a small set up I e. no point paying for extra panels that end up mostly feeding back into the grid.

    I'd say you want to aim for a system that is around 3 - 4 times the typical power consumption as they never produce the amount they'. So if you have typical power consumption in the day of 300Watts, you really want to aim for panels with a rating of between 900w - 1.2kw. if you get it installed by an MCS certified installer, then you will get paid (a pittance) for power you feed back into the grid.

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    Have just purchased a Jebao 20000 200 new delivered, i thought that was a fair price.
    Solar panels is an interesting project, did you look at using a battery + ac-dc for excess production?

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    I did consider a battery system. But I'd need waaay more panels to generate enough power - more than I could fit on my pergola.

    For a battery system, it'd need to be able to run the pond all day (even on a cloudy day) and to also be able to charge the batteries enough so that they can run all night as well. The cost for such a system would be way more than 1k, with all the extra panels, an off grid string inverter, battery management system plus the batteries as well - which will need replacing in the lifetime of the system.

    Also if I went for the off grid battery option, I wouldn't be able to use the solar power to cover some of the house usage as well (as that requires a grid tied inverter).

    My aim was just to reduce the amount of electricity I was taking from the grid for a small upfront cost.

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    Get yourself a variable speed pump . I use the Jebao TSP 20000 . Running at 80% - or 16k , it uses 126 watts , so a lot less the Aquamax . Also , you can slow it down over winter , if required .
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    That is exactly what i have done thabks to the suggestion from you guys hoping to fit it Sunday

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    Perhaps this is a European and Japanese style collaboration. The electricity bill for an energy-saving pump specialized for transferring water, which is common in Japan, is around 1,500 yen (10 pounds) per month.
    The system is designed to make the water level of the filtration tank the same as that of the pond and pull bottom water by the difference of gravity.

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    This is essentially the system i am using ie gravity fed filter chambers, the issue here in the uk is the current cost of electricity.
    Not sure what a KWh is in Japan? But in the UK it is now 35p KWh

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    Quote Originally Posted by hippo View Post
    Get yourself a variable speed pump . I use the Jebao TSP 20000 . Running at 80% - or 16k , it uses 126 watts , so a lot less the Aquamax . Also , you can slow it down over winter , if required .

    Didn't think these were available from Jebao anymore?

    The only ones I could see were the TSP22000, which is not as efficient.

    And the old TSP 20000's are still available, but branded as PondXpert.


    EDIT: Scrap that, looks like the Jebao TSP-20000 are indeed available again. Be interested to know what wattage they go down to. My old one goes down to 24w at 30%, but the newer one is 80w at 30%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RS2OOO View Post
    Didn't think these were available from Jebao anymore?

    The only ones I could see were the TSP22000, which is not as efficient.

    And the old TSP 20000's are still available, but branded as PondXpert.


    EDIT: Scrap that, looks like the Jebao TSP-20000 are indeed available again. Be interested to know what wattage they go down to. My old one goes down to 24w at 30%, but the newer one is 80w at 30%.
    Whereabouts did you see these fella? Only ask as I bought what was supposedly a TSP-20000 off Amazon a couple of weeks ago and had to return it because they actually sent the newer TSP-S 22000.

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    Yeah found it at Kettering koi and ponds on ebay, best price too! I will check when i am home percentage vs wattage, thinkit is on about 40% at the moment

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    Quote Originally Posted by CR_KOI View Post
    Whereabouts did you see these fella? Only ask as I bought what was supposedly a TSP-20000 off Amazon a couple of weeks ago and had to return it because they actually sent the newer TSP-S 22000.
    Probably the same place as you.... Even though it clearly says 20000 on the listing and the photo of the box:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Jebao-TSP-2...05867922&psc=1

 

 
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