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    Pond vs hosepipe ban

    During the ban people cannot use a hosepipe to:
    • Water a garden or plants
    • Clean their car or boat
    • Fill or maintain a domestic swimming or paddling pool
    • Fill or maintain a pond, or other water feature
    Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-62404637

    I don't trickle water, so I don't maintain the water level but with a drum filter the cleaning flush could be construed as "maintain a pond".

    Legal: https://www.oxcow.co.uk/hosepipe-bans-whats-law/
    The ban itself covers The ban itself covers ‘non-essential’ water use. This includes using hosepipes to water gardens, wash cars, fill swimming pools, fountains, or ponds, and clean windows, pathways, and outdoor decking. The water provider can extend the ban to all of these activities, or limit a certain few. On announcing the ban, water providers should detail which activities are banned and the precise time at which the ban will come into effect.. This includes using hosepipes to water gardens, wash cars, fill swimming pools, fountains, or ponds, and clean windows, pathways, and outdoor decking. The water provider can extend the ban to all of these activities, or limit a certain few. On announcing the ban, water providers should detail which activities are banned and the precise time at which the ban will come into effect.
    So if the pipe is not a hose pipe but a blue water pipe to the filters.. hmm.

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    So under the small animals welfare act if you did not carry out the cleaning of filters and toping up of the pond you fish would suffer and you could be prosecuted.
    here: https://www.koiforum.uk/koi-carp-chat/2911-hose-pipe-bans.html


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    ok silly question but how are they going to police/monitor this ban??

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    "Premises that have ponds with fish and other wildlife are able to carry on with any necessary water support to keep the environment healthy.

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    Not sure the location of said hosepipe bans, but it's been raining for weeks in Cumbria... It won't be long until the flood warnings are out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kikokuryu John View Post
    Not sure the location of said hosepipe bans, but it's been raining for weeks in Cumbria... It won't be long until the flood warnings are out.
    Haha same up here in Durham mate

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    scaremongering media, ought to be a law against it..was called treason in years gone by...
    and i mean the reporters and editors who print and publish
    as individuals not the companies they work for...

    reservoir levels round here are full.
    the big drought of '76 (that i remember )
    was preceded by record low rainfall for years even in winter.

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    It's all they do these days, best way to enjoy life is switch off the news and media then strangely enough all the issues vanish! Not in an ignorant way, but it doesn't take a genius to work out we should all do our best for the planet etc and respect one another!

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    Quote Originally Posted by samp09 View Post
    It's all they do these days, best way to enjoy life is switch off the news and media then strangely enough all the issues vanish! Not in an ignorant way, but it doesn't take a genius to work out we should all do our best for the planet etc and respect one another!
    Well put mate .

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    I shouldn`t woory too much,fish are classed as livestock and as such,the ban doesn`t apply to ponds with fish in them.This is what i learned in 1976 and posted in 2018.

    "This question came up in the hosepipe ban way back in 1976.I was keeping Marine tropical fish at the time & a large pond, i checked with our local fish dealer & he told me that fish are classed as livestock & as so are exempt from hosepipe bans.As regards rebates on your water bill,you can only get them if you don`t use a drain or the local sewage system.If you pipe to a field or a soakaway,you may get a rebate,check with your water authority,you may be able to download an application form."

    Ray.

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    Run the hose to keep the pond topped up - totally legal.

    Take buckets of water from the pond to wash the car / water plants etc - totally legal.

    So life for Koi pond owners continues as normal lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matsuba View Post
    I shouldn`t woory too much,fish are classed as livestock and as such,the ban doesn`t apply to ponds with fish in them.This is what i learned in 1976 and posted in 2018.

    "This question came up in the hosepipe ban way back in 1976.I was keeping Marine tropical fish at the time & a large pond, i checked with our local fish dealer & he told me that fish are classed as livestock & as so are exempt from hosepipe bans.As regards rebates on your water bill,you can only get them if you don`t use a drain or the local sewage system.If you pipe to a field or a soakaway,you may get a rebate,check with your water authority,you may be able to download an application form."

    Ray.
    Then you get people suggesting you're using the water sprinkler.. when it's the waste water from the pond
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    Below is a link to the most up to date information about areas covered by the UK hosepipe bans and note that more areas will be included soon.

    However please note that using a hose for essential livestock purposes is not banned and that fish are classed as livestock so you can still use a hose for essential use such as topping up and necessary water changes.

    Sensible interpretations of the exemptions are required so, for example, cleaning brushes or filter foams by spraying them with water from a hose while walking around your garden and letting the water pour onto the lawn would be taking the P so an enforcement notice and fine could result if a neighbour reported the fact that you had a luxuriant lawn.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/.../hosepipe-ban-uk-2022.../

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    I think the water companies rely on neighbours informing on neighbours, which will result in a warning letter before closer scrutiny. After further breaches, you will receive a fine.
    My sprinklers are fed directly from the clean side of the drum, , and I run them for 30 minutes each evening. I have turned off the trickle and have an auto top up. This results in 3500x4000 litres per week which instead of going down the drain, ends up on the grass, which as a result is still nice and green. I don't think this violates the rules, but it will get me a waste water discount.
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    My (new) neighbours actually shock me with their wastage, both energy (indoor and outdoor lights on / windows and doors open all year round) and water.

    They've a paddling pool in the garden, not huge, takes around 45 minutes to fill, so I'd guess 350 - 400 litres. They fill it up for their child every single afternoon, and drain it every single evening. Not just in summer either, they've been filling it every day since middle of March and do so with warm water from kitchen taps.

    On top of that they don't use that water for the garden or plants, out comes the hose pipe each evening for that.

    Whereas my garden gets watered from drum waste or directly from the pond.

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    good job we don't live under KGB rules in the UK....
    they wouldn't have enough time to go around kidnapping and murdering all the people who were 'informed on'

    they don't worry about watering grass in spain and other bone dry countries.
    it just the mentality of major corporations looking to exploit the people with higher bills....

    the water companies made nearly 3 billion pounds.... three billion pounds! ....in profits last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davethefish1 View Post
    good job we don't live under KGB rules in the UK....
    they wouldn't have enough time to go around kidnapping and murdering all the people who were 'informed on'

    they don't worry about watering grass in spain and other bone dry countries.
    it just the mentality of major corporations looking to exploit the people with higher bills....

    the water companies made nearly 3 billion pounds.... three billion pounds! ....in profits last year.
    Hosepipe bans in the UK, (yes the wettest friggin place in the world) are ridiculous. Massive profits, leaky pipes, not enough reseviours, b ollocks to them! If only I could work out how to hack into the water supply prior to my meter, I glady would! Ironically the famous Woodford spring which supplies my (free) top up water is likely a leaking mains pipe . Ill also gladly turn the hosepipe on any grasses... (not the green type)
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    Same every hose pipe ban, as others have said, notthing wrong with using the hose to top up the pond, or clean the drums, not that I’m going to use a hose as the pond is fed direct from a piped in mains supply, but what I have to do is send the waste down the drain, I’m not allowed to water the garden with a hose from the pond it seems, or from my own water butts.

    Daft thing is the last hose pipe ban around 2010, I washed the car with a few buckets of water, seven in all, after the ban lifted, I washed the car with a pressure washer, but between the hose and pressure washer I fitted my own domestic type water meter as used by the water authorities and as used on the pond connected via hoze lock connectors, to wash the car, I used 25 litres, a lot less than the seven buckets.

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    I always thought ponds where ok to maintain

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    They are livestock so would be exempt from a ban.Ornamental ponds mean ponds with no fish or just a fountain.

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    In Ireland, hosepipe bans exclude those keeping lifestock which includes fish ponds. I just continue as normal. I did have a "difficult" neighbour threatening to report me a couple of years back. I told them to go ahead.

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