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    KOI show in summer (feeding period)

    The first UK Koi show was held by the Society (BKKS) in the back garden of Peter. Waddington's home in 1975.
    I actually confronted him and asked him if it was strange that it still takes place, disrupting the important summer feeding period. I did and his answer was.

    ”NAOKI, British summers are short."
    ”It needs to be this season for many people to get to know KOI.”

    That may have been the original aim, but now that so many people are aware of its existence, the sense of purpose of taking ownership of the KOI and making it better is now outweighed by the desire to make it better.
    The shorter the British summer is, the more the summer KOI Show is aimed at hindering the growth and development of the KOI, rather than making people aware of the existence of the KOI.

    My main goal is to interact more with Japanese hobbyists, and I hope that you share the joy of raising them as well, but as long as you have the habit of holding shows during the summer feeding season, I don't think we will ever have the same values. Is it practically impossible to change long-standing habits?



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    Naoki, I mean this in the most respectful way, but please stop repeating yourself regarding this. We have all read this countless times, no one on here is arranging the shows and how each country decides to do things is entirely up to them. If you have this much issue with the timing on the show then please speak directly to the BKKS and show organisers instead of bashing the UK koi scene on here every day.

    I do have a question for you. Now for myself personally my pond is around 24 degrees daily and I am feeding intensely for the summer growth period as you frequently talk about, but how many times and how much should I be feeding? I understand the amount consumed in 10 minutes is generally the right amount, but how often should this be? I am currently feeding every hour and 15 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samp09 View Post
    I do have a question for you. Now for myself personally my pond is around 24 degrees daily and I am feeding intensely for the summer growth period as you frequently talk about, but how many times and how much should I be feeding? I understand the amount consumed in 10 minutes is generally the right amount, but how often should this be? I am currently feeding every hour and 15 minutes.
    It depends on the size of the pond and the age, essence and density of the koi you keep. And of course it depends on how well the biological tanks and earlier settling tanks that purify them are functioning. Assume your pond is an outdoor mud pond. Ideally, you should be feeding the maximum amount. But if that's too much, the purification can't keep up and the water breaks down. So gradually find out what the maximum amount is. Once you have worked that out, it would be ideal if you could understand and control the cycle of the pond environment. They are easier if the density of the KOI is low, and more risky and difficult if it is high density. I used to feed at intervals of every two hours. If you can increase the frequency, the maximum amount should increase as a result. I also have the choice to run the automatic feeder at night or not. Anyway, if you overdo it, they will have diarrhoea and floating jelly-like faeces. That's one criterion. And the ultimate ideal is to feed quite a large amount and produce very little faeces. Once you get that delicate balance, if you can sustain that for the season, you can expect pretty good results. When that happens, the KOI should be swimming actively and This will give the KOI a sturdy waist and back, and in autumn, the KOI will have an ideal healthy KOI covered with increased mucus, TSUYA and TERI. The water should be sparkling and shiny. The amount of dissolved oxygen will also have a big effect on this.

    And the story I envision is that if even one more person who has experienced success in this kind of trial and error, even one more person will agree that it is impossible to take KOI out and line them up during the summer feeding period.

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    I also remembered one more important tip. Don't let them fill up on one feeding. If you cut off just before the maximum amount that makes them still want to eat, it can be carried over to the next time and the maximum amount should increase as a result!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki Atsumi View Post
    I also remembered one more important tip. Don't let them fill up on one feeding. If you cut off just before the maximum amount that makes them still want to eat, it can be carried over to the next time and the maximum amount should increase as a result!!
    Agree with this comment,I feed little and often so as to keep them a little hungry and find it works fine.
    John

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    Thank you for information Naoki. I have reduced to 2 hourly feeds as found that 1 hour and 15 minutes means a couple of fish had diarrhoea. It is trial and error but I feel like even having changed to 2 hourly as of today, the food is consumed quicker and that is a slightly higher amount than what I was feeding at the quicker intervals. I will post photo's of my end of season results and you can tell me if they have been successful to the Japanese requirements

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    Can I explain just a little more about how the Summer KOI Show is full of contradictions? Let me take a few things from the recently held Dutch one for some reference.
    At the KOI SHOW or HINPYOKAI (HINPYOUKAI)we fast KOI for a minimum of five days or more to prepare for the exhibition, is this the same condition in yours??
    Especially in our case, the subcutaneous fat stored by a sufficient feeding period forms the surface TSUYA and TERI during the fasting period, which compete with each other as the final stage of the finishing technique.
    These were previously introduced by me last year in our HINPYOKAI, but you won't find feces floating or rolling around in any of the SHOW VATs as they're well fasted.

    https://youtu.be/tQQ6dZfFD-E?t=56
    In comparison, SHOW VAT in the UK and Europe is always full of droppings. This is because even if the feeding of solid pellets is interrupted, it is impossible to fast completely at this time of year in the first place, because this is when they are looking for food and will naturally peck at the moss on the walls even if there is no food to eat.

    https://youtu.be/tQQ6dZfFD-E?t=308
    And the weirdest scene is this.
    These are small and young, so it's not as much of a scourge, but it's quite normal for them to have spawning behaviour if you set up a special space at this time of year, isn't it?The fact is that these are still being overlooked as a matter of course??

    I still recall that on my first visit to the UK, about a week later, I went to the biggest SHOW of the time, and it was particularly tragic to see a large female KOI that had released her eggs in a plastic bag during transport, as the SHOW VATs everywhere were in chaos from spawning.
    At the time, I thought that my main mission was to make the KOI grow up well in the UK, that's why I was invited especially but despite seeing such disaster everywhere, that night everyone gathered for a huge dinner party and a dance party was held late into the night, and I still remember feeling that I had come to a different place with such a difference in customs. That's a memory now, though.

 

 

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