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    Colour feed begins

    Well I finally have 3kg of aqua colour boost and have started to feed today so I'm going to do a 3 week colour feed program feeding nothing but colour boost and I will report my findings



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    it'll be intersting to see what differences there are...
    before and after pics?

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    Definitely watching this one .

    With dave tho so before and after would be ideal

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    If you can do some before and after pics that would be great.

    I'm thinking of getting some myself soon, so it'll be great to see what's others experience is of it.

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    You buggers now I've got to clean my window for the pics

    Try and get some done tomorrow for you guys

    So quick background on them I have as follows in no particular order
    1 matsuba 5yrs 1 shiro nisai, 1 hi utsuri tosai, I ochiba tosai, 1 red karashigoi nisai, 1 kohaku sansi , 1 showa sansi , 1 doits showa 4 yrs 2 karashigoi 1 Scaled 1 doits both sansi and a doits kohaku that's lost its colour

    Pond is 3100 gallon siting at a constant 22 covers due off this week
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitey79 View Post
    You buggers now I've got to clean my window for the pics

    Try and get some done tomorrow for you guys

    So quick background on them I have as follows in no particular order
    1 matsuba 5yrs 1 shiro nisai, 1 hi utsuri tosai, I ochiba tosai, 1 red karashigoi nisai, 1 kohaku sansi , 1 showa sansi , 1 doits showa 4 yrs 2 karashigoi 1 Scaled 1 doits both sansi and a doits kohaku that's lost its colour

    Pond is 3100 gallon siting at a constant 22 covers due off this week

    c'mon do a proper job.... all individually bowled up....

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    Looking forward to this i was about to buy mine some colour food soon, before and after photos would have been nice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davethefish1 View Post
    c'mon do a proper job.... all individually bowled up....
    Blimey bowling that lot up one at a time every coupe of weeks or so would take longer than it took me to build my QT system
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frimley Koi keeper View Post
    Blimey bowling that lot up one at a time every coupe of weeks or so would take longer than it took me to build my QT system
    Lol mate adam byer , cuttlebrook and new forest could bowl and picture all their stock in that time frame

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    Lol mate adam byer , cuttlebrook and new forest could bowl and picture all their stock in that time frame

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    The old basic rule is that it's more ideal when the water temperature is above 20 degrees Celsius, right?
    But digestibility seems to have improved recently, so we just need to continue to be careful not to have floating jelly-like stools, don't we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki Atsumi View Post
    The old basic rule is that it's more ideal when the water temperature is above 20 degrees Celsius, right?
    But digestibility seems to have improved recently, so we just need to continue to be careful not to have floating jelly-like stools, don't we?
    What do floating jelly like stools indicate? And how can you rectify the situation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twhitenosugar View Post
    What do floating jelly like stools indicate? And how can you rectify the situation?

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    to me thats down to indigestion, like diarrhea in humans.
    too much food, or too high in proteins and unable to properly digest.
    ...like a bad takeaway on a friday night

    if i see that in the pond, no food the next day.
    and probiotic foods or additives the day after, and slowly increase the amount of food again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davethefish1 View Post
    to me thats down to indigestion, like diarrhea in humans.
    too much food, or too high in proteins and unable to properly digest.
    ...like a bad takeaway on a friday night

    if i see that in the pond, no food the next day.
    and probiotic foods or additives the day after, and slowly increase the amount of food again.
    You are exactly right.
    It is good to be able to distinguish between normal and undigested stool.
    The worst is a white or clear floating stool that looks like it is straight from the secretions of the intestinal wall.
    Soluble soft stools also tend to pollute pond water. Solid, firm faeces are ideal and should be removed as much as possible when they accumulate in the settling tank.
    Identification of these faecal conditions is taught at a very early stage in Japan. The trouble is that they will continue to seek food even when they are producing these undigested faeces.

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    Very nice collection

    Be interested to see what happens after the colour enhance food has been fed for a while

    Just gone to NT Labs Staple and Health as a 50 50 split on Monday and the Staple stuff has colour enhancer in it so maybe it will have an effect on some of mine
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    As Frim said some really nice fish there.

    to be fair the colours look quite good already,
    it will be interesting to see what development will come from colour food

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    Yep some nice fish!

    I love that doitsu karashigoi. If you ever want to get rid of it I'll happily take it off your hands Colour feed begins

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    As introduced in a previous thread on The truth about colour enhancing techniques we have stated that, using KOHAKU as an example, the recently mainstream SENSUKE lineage, which does not turn deep red without a colour enhancer feed, and older lineage such as TOMOIN and YAGOZEN, which are now rare, can be enjoyed without a colour enhancer because they will naturally turn deep red later on. I am aware that these days when both bloods are often crossed, it is quite impossible to simply divide them in two, but I still believe that your KOHAKU should give you a rough idea of what is a type of BENI and what is not. I collected as many characteristically KOHAKUs as I could of both lineages. I hope you can sense the difference between these BENI.

    SENSUKE blood KOHAKU
    Vintage BENI KOHAKU

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    Looking to see if the reds will go a bit deeper it might just be me but it looks like they might have gone a bit lighter but that might be with the growth some of them have done the red karashigoi was 33cm in September in feb it was 48cm the kohaku was 40 cm in June in April it was 52cm the doits karashigoi went from 35cm in June to 49cm in feb so was thinking that with them stretching quite quickly could that be stretching the colour to

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