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    I got 10 kg of the Aquasource with garlic at the beginning of the season for 70 odd quid.
    Wont be useing it anymore as their poo is floating and some of the big ones dont like it but the young eat it ok but they eat anything.

    I do like the size though 4 mm which suits the smaller ones.

    Will be going back to Coppens.
    Sh in my book is the best food and I used to use it years ago but cant justify the price, ok if your koi are worth a lot of money but to be honest I am not after fast growth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavint74 View Post
    But the osw has a higher protein content. Would this not mean osw would create more growth

    Not necessarily, it depends the source of the protein. Ideally you would want something with fishmeal or a natural protein that they can utilise. I believe coppens is now insect meal, which is obviously what fish eat naturally anyway, but don't know if they would utilise it as well as fishmeal for example. I had good growth with coppens OSW and top koi but mine was when it was fishmeal content, before it changed to the insect meal so couldn't tell you what it is like now.

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    How many on here are currently feeding Saki Colour food?

    I'm into my 2nd week, mixed 65/35 with Saki Balance.

    Used about a kilo of colour so far.

    My water looks absolutely rank.

    Not sure if just a coincidence.

    Even bought some Bacto Plus PSB which is supposed to improve clarity, over a litre gone in over the last 3 days but hasn't made a difference as yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS2OOO View Post
    How many on here are currently feeding Saki Colour food?

    I'm into my 2nd week, mixed 65/35 with Saki Balance.

    Used about a kilo of colour so far.

    My water looks absolutely rank.

    Not sure if just a coincidence.

    Even bought some Bacto Plus PSB which is supposed to improve clarity, over a litre gone in over the last 3 days but hasn't made a difference as yet.

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    Still using my growth balance colour mix.
    Water is a little tainted if you look through the length of the pond through the window, but looks clear looking down from above.

    I'm feeding a fair amount of food though, 300g a day.
    On the plus side i have noticed an improvement in the beni on some fish.
    And i'm happy with growth rates

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS2OOO View Post
    How many on here are currently feeding Saki Colour food?

    I'm into my 2nd week, mixed 65/35 with Saki Balance.

    Used about a kilo of colour so far.

    My water looks absolutely rank.

    Not sure if just a coincidence.

    Even bought some Bacto Plus PSB which is supposed to improve clarity, over a litre gone in over the last 3 days but hasn't made a difference as yet.

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    Iíve just bought 5 kilos of colour with the plan of feeding it exclusively for a few weeks so I hope itís not the food. When you say rank what do you mean? Cloudy?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bri001 View Post
    Iíve just bought 5 kilos of colour with the plan of feeding it exclusively for a few weeks so I hope itís not the food. When you say rank what do you mean? Cloudy?


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    Not sure how to explain, like a yellow/brown tinge and if the koi are at the bottom they kind of look a bit blurry/fuzzy.

    Water is tainted enough that you can see it in the drum.

    This pond is only 4 months old so it could be one of those weird phases new ponds go through in the first year or two.

    But the tinge started about 3 days after I started feeding colour food and has gradually got worse.

    Also started getting a lot of protein bubbles.

    I would estimate 180 grams a day currently going in, so not really a huge amount. Moved a bigger koi on today so now have the capacity to up the food a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS2OOO View Post
    Not sure how to explain, like a yellow/brown tinge and if the koi are at the bottom they kind of look a bit blurry/fuzzy.

    Water is tainted enough that you can see it in the drum.

    This pond is only 4 months old so it could be one of those weird phases new ponds go through in the first year or two.

    But the tinge started about 3 days after I started feeding colour food and has gradually got worse.

    Also started getting a lot of protein bubbles.

    I would estimate 180 grams a day currently going in, so not really a huge amount. Moved a bigger koi on today so now have the capacity to up the food a bit.

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    Hmmm. Iíve got it now so Iíll try it. Have you seen many positive results with the fish from feeding colour food?


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    I was using it exclusively for a little while until it was warm enough to feed growth, didn't notice any change of colour in the water or the fuzziness mentioned. Still feeding now 60/40 with growth although down to the last little bit of colour but water has been fine for me and I have been feeding around 300g a day at a guess until the auto feeder went in last week which is feeding around 28g every hour and 55 mins 10 times in a day.

    The beni definitely looks better to me with the colour food and they are enjoying the growth now too. Every day I look at the fish and try to figure out how much they have grown, I would honestly struggle to say as they have all grown more or less at the same rate! I will only know for sure at the end of the year and we still have August/September to go for me to hit my target of all Tosai at 40cm plus, all Nisai and older over 50cm too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bri001 View Post
    Hmmm. I’ve got it now so I’ll try it. Have you seen many positive results with the fish from feeding colour food?


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    In all honesty I have yet to notice any improvement in colouration.

    The fish love the food though, no doubt about that.

    I have quite a mix of varieties so any changes to colouration should be easy to spot when they happen. In particular I have a Lemon Hariwake that lost all its lemon and turned white a few years back. This year, to my absolute surprise, the lemon has started coming back faintly, so if there's a sudden boost to that then without a doubt the colour food will have been a factor.

    As for some of the go sanke varieties, a few have deep red markings in the middle of the red scales. I understood from a video (either Koi Talk / Koi Wholesale or Koi TV, can't recall which) that colour food forces this red to expand out across the scale. I'll be watching out for that.

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    I've swapped saki for PP, can't beat destroying filters at this time of year.

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    Iím planning on feeding growth until the feeder is empty then Iím going to give it a try. Iíve got 5 kilos of balance as well so Iíll give the colour a go exclusively then mix in some balance in the water starts to mess up


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    Need to update about the cloudy water problem that started a few days after I started feeding Saki Colour.

    Well, the water is getting worse, now with a green tinge that looks a bit like algae.

    Checked my UV today.... Bulb has blown ha ha.

    All is forgiven Saki Hikari!


    Now to navigate the absolute rip off that is the price of Amalgam UVC bulbs here in blighty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS2OOO View Post
    Need to update about the cloudy water problem that started a few days after I started feeding Saki Colour.

    Well, the water is getting worse, now with a green tinge that looks a bit like algae.

    Checked my UV today.... Bulb has blown ha ha.

    All is forgiven Saki Hikari!


    Now to navigate the absolute rip off that is the price of Amalgam UVC bulbs here in blighty!

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    Least it's a easy fix mate Saki Hikari Summer Feeding Strategy

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    After a few weeks of the colour food, I've noticed a massive improvement, really impressive.
    7500 litres
    Filtreau combi with uv.
    Some koi

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    Can't say much on the balance food as I have only just received it to day but I have never seen my fish so hungry and active wanting it and constantly wanting more and more .

    Fantastic so far and can't wait to see what happens

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    Can't say much on the balance food as I have only just received it to day but I have never seen my fish so hungry and active wanting it and constantly wanting more and more .

    Fantastic so far and can't wait to see what happens

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    Yes mate no spitting food.
    Mine always want more, but have to limit or they start to get fat lol

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    Isn't it wasteful in terms of cost-effectiveness to feed top-quality colour enhancer food without a plan?
    I have always found the method of adding spirulina yourself to be cheaper and more effective.
    And it is no exaggeration to say that such top-quality colour enhancers are clearly developed for one purpose.
    Do you understand the lineage of KOI that should be given properly and their characteristics?
    You only get that effect when you understand them and feed them properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki Atsumi View Post
    Isn't it wasteful in terms of cost-effectiveness to feed top-quality colour enhancer food without a plan?
    I have always found the method of adding spirulina yourself to be cheaper and more effective.
    And it is no exaggeration to say that such top-quality colour enhancers are clearly developed for one purpose.
    Do you understand the lineage of KOI that should be given properly and their characteristics?
    You only get that effect when you understand them and feed them properly.
    You don't need a 'plan' to feed koi to a pinnacle of colour, unless showing.
    Observation and common sense is all thats needed for our pet fish
    if they are growing a lot and the colour is being stretched support it with colour food. Blend and mix food as needed.


    Last edited by davethefish1; 04-08-2022 at 07:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davethefish1 View Post
    You don't need a 'plan' to feed koi to a pinnacle of colour, unless showing.
    Observation and common sense is all thats needed for our pet fish
    if they are growing a lot and the colour is being stretched support it with colour food. Blend and mix food as needed.
    I think the 'planning' part of the story will go deeper if we first start to see how much each of the KOIs circulating in the world, especially immediately after they are imported from Japan, are affected by the colour enhancers and turn bright red.
    Last edited by Naoki Atsumi; 04-08-2022 at 09:08 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki Atsumi View Post
    I think the 'planning' part of the story will go deeper if we first start to see how much each of the KOIs circulating in the world, especially immediately after they are imported from Japan, are affected by the colour enhancers and turn bright red.
    There is no 'story' japanese breeders feed colour food.

    Been a while since youve posted here...
    Have you gotten bored with trolling youtube lately?

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