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11-11-2021, 08:10 PM #221
Remains to be seen if they do find a solution however it is positive they are communicating with you and I rather think you’ll get your money back if it transpires that they can’t import them
13,243 gallons, Filtreau HF30’s K1 capacity of 1,400l, Bakki Shower, BHM and understanding wife
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11-11-2021, 08:31 PM #222
Don’t know about everybody else but all I want for Christmas is for this to actually work!
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11-11-2021, 08:48 PM #223
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11-11-2021, 08:50 PM #224
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11-11-2021, 09:09 PM #225
I have replied highlighting all the information with links to the Gov page and pointing them to the contact details of CEFAS. Interestingly, one thing that has at least fallen in our favour if they can somehow make this happen, the issue of fish only being allowed to enter through a BCP from 1st March is now 1st of July. I do hope it can be done too, I have 4 stunning fish I want in my pond but I don't think it will be possible going on my conversation with CEFAS. They said it takes 2 years for the country in question to be able to sign off the SVC disease (can't remember if that's the name) and the German government has to apply for it not the shop so not expecting much joy, but stranger things have happened!
Rules from 1 July 2022:
In addition to the requirements introduced on 1 January, from 1 July 2022 you must ensure that your imports of live fish and shellfish from the EU:
- enter through a UK Border Control Post (BCP) that can accept the type of goods, for documentary, identity and physical checks and customs clearance. You may need to pay for this service.
- the FHI will continue to operate a risk-based programme of import inspection and testing to monitor for serious diseases. The level of physical and identity checks will be based on assessments of biosecurity and public health risks. All high-risk live animals imported from the EU will continue to be checked.
- enter through a UK Border Control Post (BCP) that can accept the type of goods, for documentary, identity and physical checks and customs clearance. You may need to pay for this service.
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11-11-2021, 09:22 PM #226
I followed up with CEFAS, asking if export was possible if the fish were certified by a vet as SVC free (no, as testing involves the fish dying in the process) or if they could certify quarantine conditions, again the answer was an unequivocal 'no'. Will post the reply below in a minute I really can't see how it will happen, unless the country-wide SVC designation for Germany changes or the UK authorities stop caring about it. Or they miss out Germany altogether and import to UK directly from Japan.
It's frustrating that Koi Area are IMHO genuine and well intentioned, whilst seemingly unaware that exporting koi to the UK from Germany is impossible.
I've paid a while back, will see how the land lies in January I guess. I'm fairly certain they'll honour refunds.
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11-11-2021, 09:24 PM #227
This is the reply I received from CEFAS the other day:
Q1. Can individual fish be certified as SVC free by an accredited vet before export? No, individual fish would need testing for SVC and this testing is destructive, therefore the fish would be killed during the testing.
Q2. Or does being kept in a certified/licensed quarantine environment/facility in Germany make any difference? No, GB will only accept animals from officially certified SVC free sources from countries in which SVC is notifiable and subject to control. As SVC is endemic in continental Europe it is impractical for most European countries to pursue disease freedom for SVC. We are not aware of any sources in Germany that could meet GB requirements.
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11-11-2021, 09:37 PM #228
Interesting that they note that SVC is endemic in Europe, a good reason not to have a European fish going into your pond I think.
I didn’t bid on any fish however I would be delighted to see this all work out properly, safely and securely so am keeping everything crossed for you all13,243 gallons, Filtreau HF30’s K1 capacity of 1,400l, Bakki Shower, BHM and understanding wife
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11-11-2021, 09:49 PM #229
Thanks chaps, interesting information that. I assume Japan is SVC clear?
Anyone else miss their invoice due date? Did koi area chase payment? Cheers
Edit: just looked at the last auction. There must be dozens of UK residents now who have won fish off the auctions. Probably who aren’t aware of the situation on imports.Last edited by BrucePondsteen; 11-11-2021 at 10:10 PM.
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11-11-2021, 11:04 PM #230
Yeah I don't think theres any ill intention, maybe they have been badly advised that it is possible to ship to the UK as them following up and asking the question to me today suggests they have obviously realised this may be a real issue. I am pretty confident they will happily refund once they are aware, just a shame we will all miss out on such a stunning selection of Koi.
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12-11-2021, 09:22 AM #231Fibreglassed/5000 gals/4.5 m Tunnel/Spindrifter/Twin drums/Bio chambers/Beads/Showers/Remora ASHP
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12-11-2021, 12:05 PM #232
Looking at the main site, it still doesnt make sense to me, how inferior grade koi are priced 3-4 times as much as the auctions Click on Japan koi top left. The sheer quality and quantity of their more expensive stuff is astounding, for example click on 51-60 cms. I cant believe all these fish are in Germany, could alot still be in Japan? Most of the bigger stuff is still Nisai/turning Sansai, so as someone commented, the cheaper stuff is small Nisai.
https://koi-area.gambiocloud.com/Last edited by Spongebob; 12-11-2021 at 12:12 PM.
Fibreglassed/5000 gals/4.5 m Tunnel/Spindrifter/Twin drums/Bio chambers/Beads/Showers/Remora ASHP
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12-11-2021, 02:26 PM #233
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12-11-2021, 02:55 PM #234Fibreglassed/5000 gals/4.5 m Tunnel/Spindrifter/Twin drums/Bio chambers/Beads/Showers/Remora ASHP
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16-11-2021, 12:28 PM #235
Japan is not SVC clear, but it is a notifiable disease there too (as with the UK). I believe Purachina breeder Chogoru lost his stock a few years ago as it had to be destroyed after an outbreak. Other breeders who had examples his fish helped him re-establish a breeding stock so he could continue.
6,000 gallons, aerated bottom drains, Duratec heat pump, Profidrum, Biomax 50, Bakki shower
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16-11-2021, 12:40 PM #236
i'd think you'd need to be an island nation, or not have any rivers or water courses running in from another country.
to have national SVC control in domestic and natural waters.
or it would be pretty difficult for bio security with rivers like the danube tracking all through europe....
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16-11-2021, 07:31 PM #237
An island nation like Japan then?
13,243 gallons, Filtreau HF30’s K1 capacity of 1,400l, Bakki Shower, BHM and understanding wife
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25-11-2021, 05:13 PM #238
Just for for the info i had a reminder to pay one of the two invoices so i emailed them to say i was concerned about delivery to UK due to CEFAS and this has also been brought up on a koi forum.
The answer i got was:-
This is currently been checked and we will get a decision mid-January.If that doesn't work we will of course transfer the amount back to you.
Don't know what to make of that TBH whats changing mid January?
Cheers Dean
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25-11-2021, 09:35 PM #239
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29-11-2021, 02:06 PM #240
Just a little update, after they emailed chasing payment for the 2 koi I haven't yet paid for they just replied stating they are currently clarifying this so hopefully will have a refund/confirmation of the deliveries soon
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Running heater at low temp?
Covering the pond with polycarb should be enough to stop water temps dipping below 6C for the most...