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    Poorly Cloud Tree and Olive Tree

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    Hello Folks

    Had a mixed year with my pot plants this year .

    My cloud tree has lost a lot of leaves , and some of the "clouds" are nearly bare . I removed the root ball from the pot and replaced the soil (John Innes No3) . I couldnt see any bugs in the soil , but the root ball was quite small .
    Ive cut back some of the dead wood and am just hoping it recovers .

    I asked advice on a gardening forum , and most of the answers suggested it was either over watered or underwatered .

    If anything I`d say it would be overwatered , as I have been watering it most days during summer .

    Also , my olive tree has a simliar issue . I`m going to replace the soil at some point , as it looks very dry and sandy .

    Any tips would be greatly appreciated .


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    Quote Originally Posted by hippo View Post

    Hello Folks

    Had a mixed year with my pot plants this year .

    My cloud tree has lost a lot of leaves , and some of the "clouds" are nearly bare . I removed the root ball from the pot and replaced the soil (John Innes No3) . I couldnt see any bugs in the soil , but the root ball was quite small .
    Ive cut back some of the dead wood and am just hoping it recovers .

    I asked advice on a gardening forum , and most of the answers suggested it was either over watered or underwatered .

    If anything I`d say it would be overwatered , as I have been watering it most days during summer .

    Also , my olive tree has a simliar issue . I`m going to replace the soil at some point , as it looks very dry and sandy .

    Any tips would be greatly appreciated .
    correct watering can be an issue for potted plants,
    I tend to water often but give very good drainage, that way they are not sitting in water with the roots rotting.
    but given thier robust leaf type shouldn't have a very high need for watering,

    most ilex need good drainage though.
    so i'd make sure there is a layer of 20mm gravel at the bottom of the pot for drainage,
    and incorporate some horticultural grit with the compost when re potting,

    also they prefer an acidic soil, and john innes will be neutral to alkaline ph 7-9
    so would have used an ericaceous soil based compost.

    also the pot is quite slim and ilex are quite surface rooting, so there isn't much room to build up a root structure, which also helps with watering.
    they like full sun as well, and will drop leaves and become a bit 'straggly' if they don't get it.

    olives come from hot dry countries, so the opposite for this, water sparsly.
    in a large, very well drained pot, that lets excess water evaporate out, like wood or terracota,
    full sun all day, no cold easterly/northerly winds.
    and for potting on lots of horticultural grit 1/3rd with some soil based compost like john innes.
    they also have tender roots so be careful when re potting.
    and bring it into a cool unheated porch in winter if it gets very cold/snowy. minus temps
    Last edited by davethefish1; 13-10-2021 at 04:43 PM.

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    Olives are from hot dry countries, but the plantations are irrigated so you might want to check the watering requirements.

    Any wind seems to be a problem and we had to move one of ours this year as it was struggling where it was originally sited. The good news is that it made a full recovery.
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    I emptied my vortex back in the pre drum days and the muck that came out when in a watering can. That stuff could almost bring dead plants back to life.

    get some good drainage on the pots too

    best of luck mate

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    Overwatering almost certainly, especially the cloud if it has a small root ball.
    If it's only just started with the Olive then it could be just seasonal, they can lose a few leaves in autumn, it's natural.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davethefish1 View Post
    correct watering can be an issue for potted plants,
    I tend to water often but give very good drainage, that way they are not sitting in water with the roots rotting.
    but given thier robust leaf type shouldn't have a very high need for watering,

    most ilex need good drainage though.
    so i'd make sure there is a layer of 20mm gravel at the bottom of the pot for drainage,
    and incorporate some horticultural grit with the compost when re potting,

    also they prefer an acidic soil, and john innes will be neutral to alkaline ph 7-9
    so would have used an ericaceous soil based compost.

    also the pot is quite slim and ilex are quite surface rooting, so there isn't much room to build up a root structure, which also helps with watering.
    they like full sun as well, and will drop leaves and become a bit 'straggly' if they don't get it.

    olives come from hot dry countries, so the opposite for this, water sparsly.
    in a large, very well drained pot, that lets excess water evaporate out, like wood or terracota,
    full sun all day, no cold easterly/northerly winds.
    and for potting on lots of horticultural grit 1/3rd with some soil based compost like john innes.
    they also have tender roots so be careful when re potting.
    and bring it into a cool unheated porch in winter if it gets very cold/snowy. minus temps
    Cheers , Dave . I`ll get some ericaceous compost and re-pot it
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    I have experience with Olive trees as I keep around 200 in my little farm.
    They do like the sun (not a problem here, as you may imagine), hot and prefer dry soils but in those conditions are incredibly resistant. We have a lot of olive trees here in SE Portugal, some that were planted by the romans, around 2000 years ago. They have no problems in fluctuation of temps - here itīs normal to have a daily 20šC fluctuation - or resisting to extreme hot and (some) cold. Where I live the coldest niights in the winter reach -5šC and the hottest days in the summer 40-45šC.
    I assume they could be a challenge in the English weather, so I second @davethe fish1 advise: place it where it receives the most sun, donīt overwater and let the soil dry between watering. if possible give it a larger radius pot. Wider is better than deeper because the roots normally donīt go very deep but go wide. To give you an idea, we have transplanted a few mature ones (couple of hundred years) and the roots usually donīt go deeper than 1-1,5mts, but have a 2,5-3mts radius around the tree..

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