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    Quote Originally Posted by smartin View Post
    you think you have it bad my electricity is 26.95p ! hence why i got an ashp and why i was asking about thermal cooling...... my energy provider went under so was transferred to EDF and once my deal ended had to go onto their variable rate and cannot get it any cheaper
    think you are paying over the odds mate.

    these figures were updated this month, december 2021
    and say that EDF's standard variable tariff is currently 20.77p /kWh...

    https://selectra.co.uk/energy/provid...energy/tariffs

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartin View Post
    Hi Roy,
    how is your heat exchanger performing? what temps are you maintaining? asssume heat is transferred all the time the boiler is fired up? how does this actually work, with the price of gas being so much cheaper this seems a much more viable option compared to electric..... the way its going we will all revert back to tilly lamps and candles for light and cooking over an open fire how the olderly / vulnerable etc are meant to cope with this, it is a disaster waiting to happen folk will not use heating as being scared to getting into debt and will freeze, simply awful.
    we have a full sized coal chimney, a bit of a rarity in a modern 1984 built house.... (something to do with it being built on an old coal mining area i think)

    and a few neighbours have log burners,
    so we are looking at getting one installed next year,
    especially since it looks like fuel and electricity supplies will become unstable in the future.

    being without electric is one thing,
    potentially freezing to death with no heat in the middle of winter another...
    the entire UK natural gas grid came within 4 hours of no gas last year, because it got 'cold' for more than 4 days in a row.

    apparently the 'contingecy' is now to shut down the gas powered electric power stations to conserve gas.
    and to disconnect the remaining electricity supply to different areas via a 'load block' of 3 hours duration.
    from once a day 3 days a week at level 1, to only 3 hours of electricity 3 days a week at level 17...
    what a joke....

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    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/385885/UK_DGE_NEP_-_November_2014.pdf


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    Its worrying times Dave, i think in Europe they have already implemented black outs.....interesting i will contact EDF to enquire but was only on at them 3 weeks ago when they wanted to up my DD upto 424! we have a dual fuel burner we love it but coal and logs are not cheap!
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    Quote Originally Posted by smartin View Post
    Its worrying times Dave, i think in Europe they have already implemented black outs.....interesting i will contact EDF to enquire but was only on at them 3 weeks ago when they wanted to up my DD upto 424! we have a dual fuel burner we love it but coal and logs are not cheap!
    Jesus H! 424!
    i set mine higher than asked for at 170 a month, and i'm 250 in the black....

    they seriously need to look at reducing or removing V.A.T! on fuel!
    i bet the chancellor has been rubbning his grubby little hands in glee at the thought of that fat wad of extra taxation!

    and burning our own coal again, if it's good enough for Germany...
    i'm sure with modern science and technology, we could filter/capture Co2 emissions at source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartin View Post
    Its worrying times Dave, i think in Europe they have already implemented black outs.....interesting i will contact EDF to enquire but was only on at them 3 weeks ago when they wanted to up my DD upto 424! we have a dual fuel burner we love it but coal and logs are not cheap!
    check you are not on a 'default' tarrif which has no capped limit,
    and can be higher than the capped rate...

    https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/information...ap-affects-you

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartin View Post
    Its worrying times Dave, i think in Europe they have already implemented black outs.....interesting i will contact EDF to enquire but was only on at them 3 weeks ago when they wanted to up my DD upto 424! we have a dual fuel burner we love it but coal and logs are not cheap!
    Around here logs are 50 70 pound a 800 bag

    And the compressed ovoids we burn are 16 a sack we use 2 a week but it's our only source of heat

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    Around here logs are 50 70 pound a 800 bag

    And the compressed ovoids we burn are 16 a sack we use 2 a week but it's our only source of heat

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    That's about what I paid last time (Early Spring).
    Same supplier, same logs, same load last week, 100.
    The wood is for the log burner in the cabin I built, so worst case scenario we use it less - not an option if it's your only source of heat
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukzero View Post
    That's about what I paid last time (Early Spring).
    Same supplier, same logs, same load last week, 100.
    The wood is for the log burner in the cabin I built, so worst case scenario we use it less - not an option if it's your only source of heat
    Our lass won't burn logs dose my head in they are free for me man I cut the bloody things down lol

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    We never ever put our central heating on, house built in the 1760's, flint walls about 1 1/2 foot thick. Absolutely no way to have any insulation, when they get warm they do retain the heat though. We only run a wood burner, it's 4 x the required size for our living room so pumps a load of heat out gets round the whole house. Been lucky this last couple of years because we have a large garden with trees that we can fell so free wood. Getting concerned about what we will do in the future though, wood for burning prices have gone through the roof!
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    Our house was built on the site of an old colliery....
    If i had a bigger garden i could start digging and open up my own coal seam....
    Last edited by davethefish1; 15-01-2022 at 09:45 AM.

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    well all good things come to an end.....



    it's been -3C to -4C overnight here for the last week...
    i've had a good run, just over a month with no heater 'on' at all...
    the pond of perpetual free heating has ended.

    my heater came on for 3 hours last night....
    pond still at 12C though...

    but due to the good insulation it's holding onto the heat so well.
    so in order to cut those heating costs in half i've added a timer to the heater.
    to just operate between 00.00 and 07.00 on economy 7
    so i get that heating at 0.07p/kwh.

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    It has done well Dave, no surprise its dipped with these constant cold temps... next 7 days looking low temps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smartin View Post
    It has done well Dave, no surprise its dipped with these constant cold temps... next 7 days looking low temps.
    Im going to have to start lifting my temperature back up to 14C soon as my fish at queni will be out of quarantine and ready to pick up end of this month....
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    I am at 17.5c so it runs between 16.5c - 17.5c or like this morning 16.1c before it restarted which i found strange unsure why but fish all doing well at the moment and enjoying life be good to see you new recruits once you have collected..... been in touch with EDF because i am economy 7 i have a day rate of 26.9p and a night rate of 10.5p if i went one rate it would drop to 21p, unsure what to do at the moment as i could run the heater over night only but it will run twice as long i expect as overnight temps so cold compared to daytime temps at the moment.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by smartin View Post
    I am at 17.5c so it runs between 16.5c - 17.5c or like this morning 16.1c before it restarted which i found strange unsure why but fish all doing well at the moment and enjoying life be good to see you new recruits once you have collected..... been in touch with EDF because i am economy 7 i have a day rate of 26.9p and a night rate of 10.5p if i went one rate it would drop to 21p, unsure what to do at the moment as i could run the heater over night only but it will run twice as long i expect as overnight temps so cold compared to daytime temps at the moment.....
    thats what i'm finding at the moment, no heating on in the day even when it's minus 3- 4C,
    so got mine on a timer but only seeing 0.2C drop during the day.
    but i'm only at 12C so not as big a difference as you....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki Atsumi View Post
    When I lived in Cheshire, there was a KOI farm that used the heat from the nearby waste incineration plant.
    I was taken by a friend in Doncaster (one of the youngest BKKS members at the time) that Derbyshire had a naturally heated aquarium where KOI were kept.

    And in the west, near Somerset, Bath is famous for its hot springs, isn't it?
    Isn't there a possibility of making KOI ponds or related facility in the UK that could provide hot water without relying on electricity?
    First UK Tilapia Farm design and created by Adrian Barnes
    As mentioned in the comments, this person has moved to Hawaii, but could a similar facility be converted to KOI?

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    currently i'm at 16C.
    as i had to increase pond temperature over the last week or so
    to match the pond temperature for the new arrival i got from queni koi on sunday.

    since i put the electro heater on a timer for economy 7 from 00:30 to 07:30. at 7p/ kWh
    the pond temp has fluctuated by about 0.3C day to night, and is on for about 3 hours at night.

    after the new fish has settled in, i'll start dropping the temperature back to where it was before at around 12C

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    Hi Dave,

    have you re checked the electric price tariff you will go onto when your deal ends with EDF? on economy 7 like us its 10.24p from memory for the night tariff but 26.95p for the day rate, you get the 22p rate you have mentioned if you have non economy 7or decide to have that rate for the full 24 hours,.... i have been in touch with them and thats what i was told currently on 16c too...
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    Quote Originally Posted by smartin View Post
    Hi Dave,

    have you re checked the electric price tariff you will go onto when your deal ends with EDF? on economy 7 like us its 10.24p from memory for the night tariff but 26.95p for the day rate, you get the 22p rate you have mentioned if you have non economy 7or decide to have that rate for the full 24 hours,.... i have been in touch with them and thats what i was told
    i'm with scottish power, but no i've not looked for a tarriff,
    no point really i'll just go on the standard variable government capped rate, there is/ will be nothing cheaper.

    i'll stay with economy 7 though, as i can switch the high usage things like tumble driers on with a timer and contactor.
    just have to start moaning at the family to turn lights off ect... like my dad used to say to me...
    "it's like blackpool flipping illuminations in here!"

    sad thing is my parents are now late 70's and struggling with costs for central heating, though i offered to help out, they refuse to take any money saying they can manage.
    as my dad has a decent work pension.
    some of thier neighbours are over 80 though, and on basic state pensions.
    they are frightened of the bills they will get and have just turned thier heating off for most of the day... and are sitting around with duvets on.
    honestly it's a ^(<|^& scandal!
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