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    Water recycle

    Good evening everyone your all going to shoot me down for this one but here goes.
    I have a Draco drum system with an auto top up its fantastic. Draw back is the water bill I am on a meter and my bills are becoming a joke it should be liquid gold coming out of the taps not water that's not even close to Evian. So Question the return that goes to my drain from drum could I not put that through a mini sieve so the water returns to the pond then just empty the crap from the sieve. Will mean some water changes I suspect but will cut down my bill. I am open to any other suggestions to reduce water usage if you have any.



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    Few people have opted for a big mesh to help with screen washes is this not an option for you ?

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    Hi

    Would suggest that this defeats the use of a drum as the washing of the mesh adds bio and chemicals into the water so you would be adding foul water back to the pond even if the particles are removed.

    I believe you can talk to your water supplier and as the water is used for live stock it costs less via a different water meter ( might be wrong someone might know more)

    Why not put this water through a bog filter before going back to the pond - I believe this is how eco houses treat their waste toilet water - this might work or store the water to use on the garden or if it's clean enough wash the car ect.....

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    Hi Kev there are no chemicals in the drum wash its cleaned with pond water which then flushes to the drain. I have sent a letter to the water supply company and await there response.

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    How much are the bills mate?

    I am on a water meter and pay £100 per month on average which covers 4 bed house (3 of us live here), 4100 gallon pond with permanent trickle, 1500 gallon pond with permanent trickle and 250 gallon vat with every other day water change via easypod clean.

    I assume you use less water so if your bill is higher it may be that you have a leak in the pipework after the meter install abs could ask the supplier to check.

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    Hi Gaz we have 3 bed house with 2 adult's living in it the pond is 8000 litres Draco combi unit with an auto top up the is £1700 which is ridiculous bad

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    That’s looks excessive to me unless water rates vary significantly from area to area….

    I would ask them to check for a leak mate and also ask what the rateable value of the house is. As there are less people than bedrooms my metred water bill is very close to the rateable value.

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    Hi Gaz I will get on to them see what's going on. Thanks mate

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    It’s also my understanding that as a lot is used for pond you can get a discount on the waste charge…. Especially if you are using most of the waste water for the garden…

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    Okay will find out currently my Pond water goes directly into the drain were rain water goes and sink I would have to disconnect that to ask for a allowance would I not

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    I'm with anglia water and I rung them up and said I have a pond and recycle the water around the garden, so fitted a sub meter off the garden tap and give them the reading when the yearly bill comes in which I then get re billed with the submeter difference.
    Basically, your water bill is charged for sewerage and the actual water itself. If I remember correctly, the sewerage fee is just over half the cost of the bill so say for example its £1 per cubic M of water, you pay 55p sewage fee and 45p for the water itself. So anglia water don't charge me for the sewage fee on the sub meter reading and in total my garden use was £71 for the year. We pay £29 per month for our normal monthly bill , but I do 10% ish changes every 10 days in summer and through winter I do maybe 10% every 6-8 weeks when not feeding, strangely had less issues then than in summer with the regular feeding etc. I don't use it in huge amounts, but with a 3000 gallon pond and 2 adults & baby in a 3 bed house, £419 for the year seems pretty reasonable?

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    Hi Sampo9 Thanks for that I have just fitted a separate meter that feeds the pond only. I will see if I can get them to do that I am with southern water which I know who can be a nightmare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marckoi View Post
    Hi Sampo9 Thanks for that I have just fitted a separate meter that feeds the pond only. I will see if I can get them to do that I am with southern water which I know who can be a nightmare.
    Maybe ring them up and let them know you are doing it to see if they have a program in place and have it added to your notes, also get them to email it as written confirmation to cover you from all angles. Anglia water have been easy to be honest, I rang up and asked, they confirmed its in place so I told them I was buying a metre and submitted the reading when the bill came through over the phone and they adjusted accordingly, no actual checks just too my word on the phone.

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    Thank you Sampo9 really appreciate your help I will give them a call see what they say will update with any progress.

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    Good luck with it Marc let us know how you get on.
    I too have a Draco but think yours runs off a high pressure cleaning pump as its cleaned with pond water.

    Mine runs straight off the mains through an isolater valve and as I have good water pressure I turn the water down a good bit and it's worked well for 4 yrs now so saving some water and no expensive cleaning pump.
    Had thought of doing same as yourself so let us know how you get on.
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    It’s best not to lie about where your waste water goes to get the rebate, because if they decide to spot check you then it would be fraud.
    So if you are going to go for the waste rebate, disconnect from the main drain and find a way of directing it to a soak away or water storage for watering the garden.

    Because a lot of the drum waste will be solids (fish shit etc.) it’s problematical to use via a water butt and hose pipe and I personally reckon the inconveniences related to that would outweigh the sheer convenience of having a drum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marckoi View Post
    Hi Gaz we have 3 bed house with 2 adult's living in it the pond is 8000 litres Draco combi unit with an auto top up the is £1700 which is ridiculous bad
    You have a big leak
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    Also be aware if the leak is on your property you are responsible for the cost of the repair. It might pay to try and find it and fix it yourself before contacting the water authority.

    I had one, but it was easy to find, as it was where the mains supply came up through the kitchen floor.

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    I do exactly as Samp does with regards to a secondary meter and Bill reduction for waste water not going to main drains.

    I feel my bill is still expensive though at around £100 per month. Last property wasn't on a meter and Bill was about £300 a year, yet in 5 years here I still can't get over the shock of paying £100 per month after drainage rebate.

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