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    The ability to heat is a good option specially in a QT system so you can aid recovery etc etc as mentioned above, but you need to pick the right heating system for your needs.

    My main pond is unheated but the QT system is heated.
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    Hi mate,

    if you dont don’t go gas, I would strongly recommend the Thermotec Inverters- BRILLIANT kit. I can source these competitively too.

    Cheers

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    I think I am going to have to make the plunge and get set up for heating this coming winter, it will be a bit of a task working where to add the kit in and and what size to go for but I hope it will be worth it, I am yet to finish landscaping around the pond so that I can finish the tiling, so another project on the list is adding to the timeline pressure
    Hobby and business gone but when you’re hooked you’re hooked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazkoi View Post
    Hi mate,

    if you dont don’t go gas, I would strongly recommend the Thermotec Inverters- BRILLIANT kit. I can source these competitively too.

    Cheers

    Gaz
    Gas

    We have one of the biggest Gas terminals in the country just a few miles up the coast, the main pipe comes though this village, but the buggers won't let us tap into it

    How much for a 17 kw or a <cough> (more like a gulp/choke) 20 kw unit

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbs View Post
    Gas

    We have one of the biggest Gas terminals in the country just a few miles up the coast, the main pipe comes though this village, but the buggers won't let us tap into it

    How much for a 17 kw or a <cough> (more like a gulp/choke) 20 kw unit
    Oooo I can feel the pain already lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    Oooo I can feel the pain already lol

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    Oi... less sniggering at the back


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    Quote Originally Posted by dbs View Post
    Oi... less sniggering at the back

    I believe the 12kw Thermatec eco inverter ASHP ( I have this) is the biggest one you can use on a single phase system, they are around £2500 with a 2 year warranty, but managed to get mine for £1200 from a nice forum member who had only used it over winter. It will easily heat my combined 2.2 thousand gallon & 1 thousand gallon ponds covered with a bit of balancing feed between the two
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Bass View Post
    I believe the 12kw Thermatec eco inverter ASHP ( I have this) is the biggest one you can use on a single phase system, they are around £2500 with a 2 year warranty, but managed to get mine for £1200 from a nice forum member who had only used it over winter. It will easily heat my combined 2.2 thousand gallon & 1 thousand gallon ponds covered with a bit of balancing feed between the two
    That was a good deal mate, I have a large albeit single phase CU close by separate from my pond kit so I hope to be able to run from that <fingers crossed> I think it will just need a direct supply rather than from a 13a plug which this will suffice

    Though is their Eco range good enough for the winter as wasn't so sure when I looked quickly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbs View Post
    That was a good deal mate, I have a large albeit single phase CU close by separate from my pond kit so I hope to be able to run from that <fingers crossed> I think it will just need a direct supply rather than from a 13a plug which this will suffice

    Though is their Eco range good enough for the winter as wasn't so sure when I looked quickly?
    The benefit of the eco range is that the fan doesn’t run when not required with a soft start I believe and is very quiet even when running hard. It will cool as well as heat, I have found on the covered 1k pond it can be very quick to get up to temperature from 6*c to 18*c within the hour or you can set it to change in small increments when stocked with fish.

    As a sub note I am currently running from a normal 13amp socket quite happily without any issues
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    Hi mate,

    Some of the range are on my website mate. Maybe able to improve a little for you

    Prices on my site include delivery other than for Koi and salt.

    Cheers

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    Gas

    We have one of the biggest Gas terminals in the country just a few miles up the coast, the main pipe comes though this village, but the buggers won't let us tap into it

    How much for a 17 kw or a <cough> (more like a gulp/choke) 20 kw unit
    Hobby and business gone but when you’re hooked you’re hooked.

    Always happy to help!!

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    After how cold this winter was I think its worth having a heater plumbed in or available at least just to keep things moving if it does get as cold as this winter just gone. I haven't suffered any issues as a result of it but I do have a few fish with mucus on now so I do need to scrape. This is since I have been heated around 14 rather than from the cold though. I now have mine set to about a degree colder than the temperature it gets up to in the day then I turn it off all day and turn it on around 8-9pm just to keep things close over night. This way the sun gets the temperature up for me and then the heater just maintains the suns work over night but no doubt its going to cost me a fortune again still! I will probably keep it going until it hits 20 then use it to maintain the temperature until it holds with the ambient temperature as I want to get some good growth this year.

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    So I've read the whole thread every single comment.
    Here's the thing, I get that some want to heat to encourage growth ( we all like big fish) I get that some heat to prevent assumed problems but koi carp are cold water fish! The question is how do you know you are not causing long term damage by introducing a artificial environment for your fish?
    Open for debate.


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    That's some can of worms. Good question tho. MANKY over to you sir

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    That's some can of worms. Good question tho. MANKY over to you sir

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    I love a can of worms, so do my fish,Heating, is it worth it?Heating, is it worth it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big nige View Post
    I love a can of worms, so do my fish,Heating, is it worth it?Heating, is it worth it?

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    Haha. Am interested in the answers mind nige. Got it in my head of heating to 6 keep things on a more even keel but if that turns out to be more harmful not something I've given any thought to ?.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big nige View Post
    So I've read the whole thread every single comment.
    Here's the thing, I get that some want to heat to encourage growth ( we all like big fish) I get that some heat to prevent assumed problems but koi carp are cold water fish! The question is how do you know you are not causing long term damage by introducing a artificial environment for your fish?
    Open for debate

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    simple...Koi carp are temperate not cold water fish....

    and have been bred so far away from the original magoi wild carp, that they have lost a lot of thier innate genetic diease resistance, and hardiness.
    much like pedigree dogs v's wolves...

    you wouldn't chuck your labrador outside all winter to survive on it's own....

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    I think historically heating hasnt been the first consideration. On a modern Koi pond Its a no brainer for me, the season is so short without heating, too much money spent on the hobby for too little reward, and the inevitable issues and losses. The extra money on heating is negligible and there is still huge misconceptions on the cost of heating with a ASHP v gas, average it out the ASHP wins easily. I cant get my head round how anyone would design a pond, spend many thousands of pounds and then not heat it . The fish we buy from Japan will surely never have experienced cold temperatures either.

    They will.

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    Taking what you say onboard but koi carp are well documented to survive in ponds that freeze over ( the US a prime example) so by heating are you reducing their natural cycle of hardiness, if so are you also reducing their ability to fend of parisites ect.
    I'm interested to see if one connect's to the other

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    Yup the difference is in Japan they have a proper summer with real heat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davethefish1 View Post
    simple...Koi carp are temperate not cold water fish....

    and have been bred so far away from the original magoi wild carp, that they have lost a lot of thier innate genetic diease resistance, and hardiness.
    much like pedigree dogs v's wolves...

    you wouldn't chuck your labrador outside all winter to survive on it's own....
    Lol my dog is a Welsh border collie, hard as nails, loves outside whatever the weather, much to the annoyance of my wife when it's raining

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big nige View Post
    Lol my dog is a Welsh border collie, hard as nails, loves outside whatever the weather, much to the annoyance of my wife when it's raining

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    Only dog I would ever have again and would one today. Had 5 borders now and love them wife won't entertain it but I'll win I'll use little legs to help the in the bribery lol

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